Relationship of air dissipating heat from water in a heat exchanger

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between air velocity and heat dissipation from water in a heat exchanger, particularly in the context of an experiment conducted in a wind tunnel. Participants explore the implications of air mass flow rate on temperature changes in both air and water, examining theoretical and experimental aspects of heat transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that increasing air velocity results in a larger drop in water temperature but a lesser rise in air temperature, questioning the relationship between air velocity and heat transfer efficiency.
  • Another participant suggests that the measurements may have been incorrectly interpreted, indicating that absolute temperatures rather than temperature differences were used, which could lead to counterintuitive results.
  • A different participant proposes that the characteristics observed in the measurements are expected, explaining that faster-moving air has less time to absorb heat, leading to lower terminal temperatures.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of "heat exchanger effectiveness," suggesting that it decreases with increased air velocity.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding temperature conversions, specifically between Celsius and Kelvin, and how this may affect the interpretation of results.
  • There are requests for recommendations on heat transfer textbooks that could provide clearer explanations of the relevant theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that increasing airflow leads to a lower temperature difference in the air and higher heat transfer efficiency, but there is no consensus on the implications of this relationship or the accuracy of the measurements. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the data and the correct approach to temperature conversions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the experimental setup, including the need for clarity on temperature measurement methods and the importance of correctly interpreting temperature differences versus absolute temperatures.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in heat transfer principles, experimental physics, and engineering applications related to heat exchangers.

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I carried out an experiment in a wind tunnel and it shows that as I increase the air velocity the water temperature drop is bigger but the rise in air temperature going through the radiator becomes lesser. Am I wrong to understand that its due to the fact that the air mass flow rate has increased therefore the air stays in "one" place for less time so it doesn't have the time to reach the higher temperature ? So the faster your car goes the less difference there is in between the air temperature going in and coming through the radiator ? I keep contradicting myself thinking the air temperature rise should increase with air velocity as it is dissipating more heat. Can anyone explain this to me please ? Thank you. For ease of comparison I have attached a graph too.
 

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Can you explain your setup and the measurements a bit more?

The graph says "drop in / rise in [...] temperature" but the scale gives values close to room temperature, which suggests your values are absolute temperatures and not differences.
This would also mean your water gets hotter with more air flow - if the idea is to cool water with air flow, this is counterintuitive.

If you know the temperature difference of the air, it could be interesting to look at the product of temperature difference and velocity.
 
Given the values, I wonder if the measurements were taken as temperature deltas in degrees C, and then converted to Kelvin by adding 273.15 (even though that's not the correct procedure for a temperature delta). That would explain the large values close to room temp.
 
I haven't looked at your values in any great detail but the characteristics you are seeing in your measurements are to be expected. You are on the right track when you say that "its due to the fact that the air mass flow rate has increased therefore the air stays in "one" place for less time so it doesn't have the time to reach the higher temperature".
Essentially as the air is moving faster through the heat exchanger, there is less time for the energy to diffuse through the adjacent layers of moving air and thus the terminal temperature of air will be lower. However, the actual heat transfer will obviously increase due to the additional thermal mass that is flowing through the heat exchanger which can absorb the thermal energy. Also, the increase in mass flow rate will lead to greater advection which is heat transfer by the bulk motion of the fluid.

The characteristic you are seeing is termed the "heat exchanger effectiveness". Have a quick look through a heat transfer book and you will see that this quantity decreases with increased air velocity.

Hope this helps.
 
Yes I think I wrongly converted the values to kelvin, I turned the difference between temperatures (degree celsius) to kelvins instead of converting both inlet and outlet temperature values to kelvins first. Also can you recommend any good books for heat transfer ? Something that easier to understand before going into detail? Thank you.
 
mfb said:
Can you explain your setup and the measurements a bit more?

The graph says "drop in / rise in [...] temperature" but the scale gives values close to room temperature, which suggests your values are absolute temperatures and not differences.
This would also mean your water gets hotter with more air flow - if the idea is to cool water with air flow, this is counterintuitive.

If you know the temperature difference of the air, it could be interesting to look at the product of temperature difference and velocity.


The setup is basically a hot water bath pumping water at 90 degrees Celsius to the radiators and thermocouples are inserted on both inlet and outlet of the radiators to measure the temperature difference. The radiators are inside a venturi shaped wind tunnel, so the fan on the other end sucks air through it and the air passes through the radiators.
 
Also I apologise for my late reply I did not have access to a computer
 
Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner; your understanding of what is happening is fine. Increasing airflow gives a lower air delta-T and higher heat transfer because more air spend less time in contact with it.
 
russ_watters said:
Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner; your understanding of what is happening is fine. Increasing airflow gives a lower air delta-T and higher heat transfer because more air spend less time in contact with it.

Can you refer me to any good books I can read about this ? I also want to read a book to reference this theory and prove that this is actually happening rather than say this is what I think. Thank you.
 
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knight92 said:
Yes I think I wrongly converted the values to kelvin, I turned the difference between temperatures (degree celsius) to kelvins instead of converting both inlet and outlet temperature values to kelvins first. Also can you recommend any good books for heat transfer ? Something that easier to understand before going into detail? Thank you.

There are a lot of very good heat transfer books out there. Opinions tend to differ on which is best, all down to a matter of preference I suppose. If your looking for a sort of introduction to the topic I would suggest "Heat Transfer" by Holamn. Good explanations of the various physical phenomena in this book which helps with understanding of a problem.
 
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Agreed/expand: pretty much any college textbook in "Heat Transfer" will do.
 
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