Relative energies inside a rectangular box

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The problem involves a three-dimensional rectangular infinite potential well with varying side lengths (L, 2L, and 3L) and seeks to determine the energy levels of the first excited state relative to the ground state, as well as subsequent states. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics and energy quantization within potential wells.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the energy equation and the correct application of quantum numbers for different energy states. There is exploration of how to derive the energies for the excited states based on adjustments to the quantum numbers.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in understanding how to adjust quantum numbers to find the next lowest energy states. There is ongoing clarification regarding the selection of quantum numbers and their impact on energy levels, with some participants questioning their assumptions about the sequence of states.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the correct quantum number combinations for the excited states and how they relate to the energies calculated. Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem while adhering to the requirement that quantum numbers must be positive integers.

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Homework Statement


Consider a three dimensional rectangular infinite potential well with sides of length L, 2L and 3L.
What is the energy of the first excited state relative to the energy of the ground state?
The second state?
The third?
The fourth?


Homework Equations



E=(\pi2\hbar2)/(2mL2)(n_12/L_12+n_22/L_22+n_32/L_33)

The Attempt at a Solution


so E_grounds state= (\pi2\hbar2)/(2mL2)(1/L12+(1/4L22)+(1/9L32)) then E_1 would be the same thing except n1,n2,n3 are 2 instead of one. however this doesn't yeild the right answer. So I am not sure what I am doing wrong here, my best idea is that n1, n2,n3 are not all 1 for E_ground and E_1 .
 
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Your expression for the energy should be
E = \frac{\hbar^2\pi^2}{2mL^2}\left(\frac{n_1^2}{1^2}+\frac{n_2^2}{2^2}+\frac{n_3^2}{3^2}\right)
You either have L2 in the coefficient out front or you have L1, L2, and L3 inside the parentheses, not both.

The only constraint on the quantum numbers ni is that they have to be positive integers. The combination n1=n2=n3=1 gives you the lowest energy, so that's the ground state. What combination will give you the next lowest energy? Note you don't have to change all of them.
 
ok so for E_1 i changed only n_3 and got the correct answer, now I tried to change either the second and couldn't get the answer so I'm a little confused, because changing only n_3 would give the next lowest level for n=3, i believe
 
nevermind, i figured it out, but could possibly explain how for the second state it, n_2 in the equation uses n=2, i would think that n would =3 as the next in order. Is it because n=2 would give you the next lowest energy? Thanks
 

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