Relative motion with angular velocity

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to relative motion and angular velocity, specifically involving the calculation of vectors and their components in a three-dimensional space. Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the vectors defined for points A and D and how these relate to the overall motion described in the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are examining the initial vectors for points A and D, questioning their accuracy in relation to a provided diagram. There is a focus on the implications of vector orientation and the cross product in the context of angular motion.

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Some participants have provided guidance on checking vector definitions and the relationship between the axes in the problem. Others have shared their attempts at recalculating vectors and expressed confusion about the use of the cross product in the context of angular velocity. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the problem setup.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the initial setup of vectors and the application of the cross product. Participants are also navigating the challenge of learning new concepts independently, which may affect their understanding of the problem.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Do note I switched up the i, j and k vectors.

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I am getting half the answer correct. -7.2 is correct according to the answer key but my other solution -3.24 is clearly wrong. Does anyone know what I did wrong? I tried to be neat as possible, if anyone is not able to follow please ask me about what I did.

Thanks!
 
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Check your initial vectors defining the points A and D in the problem. Your vectors don't match with the picture defining the problem. So the components your getting are likely wrong.
 
klawlor419 said:
Check your initial vectors defining the points A and D in the problem. Your vectors don't match with the picture defining the problem. So the components your getting are likely wrong.

Where did I make the mistake :S I don't see why A and D are wrong.
 
Look at the x-y-z axes in the picture you drew by hand and the axes in original picture of the problem! And remember that rotation is about the diagonal, connecting the ball bearings and that v = ω cross r

This should be enough to solve the problem
 
klawlor419 said:
Look at the x-y-z axes in the picture you drew by hand and the axes in original picture of the problem! And remember that rotation is about the diagonal, connecting the ball bearings and that v = ω cross r

This should be enough to solve the problem

Okay I just redid it with
A = (0, 0.12, 0.09)
D = (0.2, 0 , 0)
A-D = (-0.2, 0.12, 0.09)
unit_vector_A-D = (-0.8, 0.48, 0.36)

Then I repeated the steps I took in the Relative Motion section of my answer and I got the same thing except this time I had -3.24i -7.2k. I think maybe my r_B/C vector is wrong? I am not sure.So I switched the axis so it would match with the question but it seems like it doesn't matter.
 
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Try this, so you now have the vector w determined. Ok good, now calculate the distance if point B off the axis of rotation. Now take the cross product. Don't worry about relative velocity, I don't think this problem needs to consider that.
 
klawlor419 said:
Try this, so you now have the vector w determined. Ok good, now calculate the distance if point B off the axis of rotation. Now take the cross product. Don't worry about relative velocity, I don't think this problem needs to consider that.

Thanks! I was able to solve this problem by finding that vector from B to the axis of rotation and then taking this vector (r) and crossing it with the angular velocity vector w.

Does anyone know where I can learn about v = w x r? I am still a bit confused about why you use the cross product in this equation. These concepts are new to me and are concepts I must learn on my own. I tried to find a good explanation in the textbook but with no success.
 
Wikipedia has a decent article on cross products. Taylors Classical mechanics is good too
 

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