Relative Velocity (Man walking in rain question)

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The problem involves a stationary observer noting that rain falls vertically at a speed of 30 km/hr, while a cyclist moves at 10 km/hr. The question is about the angle at which the cyclist should hold an umbrella to avoid getting wet.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the triangle law to analyze relative velocities and question the calculations leading to different angle results. There is an exploration of how the cyclist's motion affects the perceived direction of rain.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on checking the velocity diagram and clarifying the relationship between the angles derived from the calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made regarding the direction of the rain and the cyclist's movement.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the cyclist's speed and the vertical fall of rain, as well as the definitions of angles in relation to the horizontal and vertical directions. There is an acknowledgment of potential discrepancies in the interpretation of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A stationary person observes that rain is falling vertically down at 30km/hr. A cyclist is moving on the level road, at 10km/hr. In which direction the cyclist should hold his umbrella to prevent himself from the rain?

2. The attempt at a solution
I used triangle law to find Velocity of rain with respect to man. The angle which comes up is tan^-1 (1/3), but the answer given is tan^-1(3). Where did I go wrong?

Please help ASAP.
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kipup123 said:
I used triangle law to find Velocity of rain with respect to man. The angle which comes up is tan^-1 (1/3), but the answer given is tan^-1(3). Where did I go wrong?

well, when the cyclist is static he will hold the umbrella vertical ; when he is moving he will tilt the umbrella to an angle from the vertical , therefore tan (angle) = perpendicular/base ; so check in your velocity diagram if the answer is , as you are quoting - it must be measuring perpendicular in the rain-velocity vector whose magnitude is 30 km/h then it may be measuring angle from horizontal direction.
pl. give your vector diagram.
 
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kipup123 said:
In your diagram the reverse velocity vector of man will be applied to the rain as well as man separately..
then man will become static and he will observe rain drops which will have two velocities one acting towards left and another vertically downward so resultant will be a velocity completing the upper triangle- now the direction of this resultant making an angle with the horizontal is the direction in which the umbrella could be kept.
In this way one can see how the answer came into Tan^-1(3). comes up.
Your velocity diagram is to be corrected
If however some body asks -at what angle from vertical direction the umbrella should be kept -then the resultant is making an angle 90- previous calculation angle ...then your answer may have been correct.
 
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