Relative Velocity of Balls: Solving for t=1 sec

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The problem involves two balls: one dropped from a height of 10m and the other thrown upward with an initial speed of 10m/s. The objective is to find the relative velocity of the balls when they pass each other at t=1 second.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for the final velocities of both balls and the application of the relative velocity equation. Questions arise regarding the signs of the velocities and the interpretation of acceleration due to gravity.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations and assumptions regarding the signs of the velocities. Some participants are questioning the professor's use of gravitational acceleration in the equations, suggesting a need for clarification on the conventions used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the chosen coordinate system in determining the signs of the velocities and discuss the implications of the gravitational acceleration's sign in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Ball 1 is dropped from rest at a height of 10m above the ground. at the same time, ball 2 is thrown straight upward from ground level with an initial speed of 10m/s.

Homework Equations




find the relative velocity of the balls when they pass each other at t=1 second?


equation given, relative velocity ==> v12= lv2-v1l

vf=vi+at

The Attempt at a Solution




since ball1 is falling, in respect to earth, the acceleration is possitive thus, v1f=v1i+at equals, vf= 0+9.8m/s^2 *1s

vf= 9.8 m/s

for ball 2 the ball is thrown upwards, thus being in a negative acceleration in respect to Earth thus,

v2F=v2i+a*t
V2f= 10m/s+ (-9.8m/s^2)(1s)

v2f= 0.2

now, lV2-V1l = 9.6m/s

now, the correct answer is 10m/s

and i wonder how come and why??

could it be that in respect to each other, their acceleration is negative? thus, resulting in

v1=-9.8
v2=0.2

lv2-v1l = l0.2+9.8l = 10m/s?
 
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Litcyb said:

Homework Statement



Ball 1 is dropped from rest at a height of 10m above the ground. at the same time, ball 2 is thrown straight upward from ground level with an initial speed of 10m/s.

Homework Equations

find the relative velocity of the balls when they pass each other at t=1 second?equation given, relative velocity ==> v12= lv2-v1l

vf=vi+at

The Attempt at a Solution

since ball1 is falling, in respect to earth, the acceleration is possitive thus, v1f=v1i+at equals, vf= 0+9.8m/s^2 *1s

vf= 9.8 m/s

for ball 2 the ball is thrown upwards, thus being in a negative acceleration in respect to Earth thus,

v2F=v2i+a*t
V2f= 10m/s+ (-9.8m/s^2)(1s)

v2f= 0.2

now, lV2-V1l = 9.6m/s

now, the correct answer is 10m/s

and i wonder how come and why??

could it be that in respect to each other, their acceleration is negative? thus, resulting in

v1=-9.8
v2=0.2

lv2-v1l = l0.2+9.8l = 10m/s?
Remember that the balls are traveling in opposite directions so the velocities have opposite signs.
 
so if i initially calculated that v1= 9.8 and v2= 0.2 their opposite signs would be -9.8 and -0.2 and when applied to the equation lv2-v1l = l -0.2+ 9.8l is still 9.6 m/s :-/

and for some reason the professor uses, v(f) = vi-gt

why is he subtracting gravitational force * time? shouldn't it be adding
 
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Litcyb said:
so if i initially calculated that v1= 9.8 and v2= 0.2 their opposite signs would be -9.8 and -0.2 and when applied to the equation lv2-v1l = l -0.2+ 9.8l is still 9.6 m/s :-/

and for some reason the professor uses, v(f) = vi-gt

why is he subtracting gravitational force * time? shouldn't it be adding

You misinterpreted my above statement. If one ball is moving down and the other ball moves up then, v_up will have the opposite sign of v_down. Which one is positive and which is negative will depend on your choice of coordinate system.

Your professor is probably using a convention where g is always positive. So, he changes the sign in the equations when necessary instead of the sign of g itself.

Also, note that g is the acceleration due to gravity, not the force of gravity.
 

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