Relative Velocity of P & Q: Magnitude & Direction

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two particles, P and Q, moving in circular paths with different radii and angular velocities. The objective is to determine the magnitude and direction of the velocity of particle P relative to particle Q, given their initial positions and motion parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the angular displacements and linear velocities of both particles. There is an attempt to apply the cosine rule to find the relative velocity, but discrepancies in the calculated results prompt questions about potential errors in the calculations or assumptions made.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different aspects of the calculations and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance is offered regarding simplifying factors in the calculations, and there is a recognition of potential errors in the use of the cosine rule.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the calculations are to be made after a specific time interval, which may influence the results. Participants also mention the importance of ensuring the calculator is set to the correct mode for the calculations.

thereddevils
Messages
436
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



A particle , P moves on a horizontal plane along the circumference of a circle with centre O and a radius of 3m at an angular velocity of pi/4 rad/s in the clockwise direction . A second particle , Q moves on the same plane along a circle with radius 2m and the same centre as the first circle at an angular velocity of pi/2 rad/s in the clockwise direction . At first , O, P and Q are collinear with P and Q located at the north of O . Find the magnitude and direction of the velocity of P relative to Q .

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



the angular displacement of P and Q are 3pi/4 and 3pi/2 respectively .

The linear velocities of P and Q are 3pi/4 and pi respectively .

then one of the angle of the triangle is 3pi/4

so i can use the cosine rule ,

|pVq|^2=pi^2+(3pi/4)^2-2pi(3pi/4)cos (3pi/4)

|pVq|=5.49 m/s

bu the answer given is 5.09 m/s

where did i go wrong ?
 

Attachments

  • relative velocity.jpg
    relative velocity.jpg
    15.2 KB · Views: 427
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi thereddevils! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
thereddevils said:
|pVq|^2=pi^2+(3pi/4)^2-2pi(3pi/4)cos (3pi/4)! :smile:

|pVq|=5.49 m/s

bu the answer given is 5.09 m/s

where did i go wrong ?

(i assume this is to be calculated after 3 seconds?)

General tip: take out any awkward factors first … then you're less likely to make mistakes, and if you do make one, you're more likely to see where it is.

Then your equation is (π/4)2 times (9 + 16 + 2*3*4*1/√2) = (π/4)2(25 + 12√2) … :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi thereddevils! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


(i assume this is to be calculated after 3 seconds?)

General tip: take out any awkward factors first … then you're less likely to make mistakes, and if you do make one, you're more likely to see where it is.

Then your equation is (π/4)2 times (9 + 16 + 2*3*4*1/√2) = (π/4)2(25 + 12√2) … :wink:


thanks tiny , is my mistake in the calculation in the cosine rule , or the diagram is wrong ?
 
I think your calculator is wrong. :redface:
 
tiny-tim said:
I think your calculator is wrong. :redface:

lol ! , its in radians mode

thanks a lot !
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
5K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
3K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K