Relative Velocity of Particles a & b in Angular Motion

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The problem involves two particles, a and b, moving in opposite directions around a circle with a given angular speed. The objective is to find the velocity of particle a relative to particle b at a specific time.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of finding the tangential unit vector for each particle and the implications of their angular velocities. Questions arise regarding whether the relative velocity should be expressed as a function of time or only at t = 0.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the calculations presented, while others are exploring the interpretation of the problem regarding the time dependency of the relative velocities. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is uncertainty about whether the problem requires a general solution over time or just the initial condition at t = 0. The original poster expresses a preference for a time-dependent solution to facilitate finding the initial relative velocity.

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Homework Statement



Particles ##a## and ##b## move in opposite directions around a circle with angular speed ##ω##. At ##t = 0## they are both at the point ##\vec{r} = l \hat{\jmath}## where ##l## the radius of the circle.

Find the velocity of ##a## relative to ##b##

Homework Equations



$$\hat{\theta} = -\hat{\imath} \sin{\theta} + \hat{\jmath} \cos{\theta}$$
$$\vec{v}_{a/b} = \vec{v}_{a/O} - \vec{v}_{b/O}$$
$$\theta = \theta_0 + \dot{\theta}t$$
$$\vec{v} = \dot{\theta} r \hat{\theta}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I found the tangential unit vector as a function of time for each of the particles, setting the initial angle to ##\frac{\pi}{2}## for both ##a## and ##b##. Also, according to the diagram shown in the source, ##a## is moving clockwise (towards the ##\hat{\imath}## unit vector) and ##b## is moving anticlockwise; so I set ##\dot{\theta}## equal to ##\omega## for ##b## and ##-\omega## for ##a##.
I then found the tangential velocities of both ##a## and ##b##, setting ##r## equal to ##l## for both. After doing the math and cleaning up the vector components using trigonometric identities, I got:

$$\vec{v}_{a/b} = 2l\omega \cos{\omega t} \hat{\imath}$$

I have no answer booklet though, so I don't know whether that's correct. Did I get it right, or did I go wrong somewhere?
 
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Are you supposed to find their relative velocities as a function of time, or are you just supposed to find it at t = 0?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Are you supposed to find their relative velocities as a function of time, or are you just supposed to find it at t = 0?

Chet
Chestermiller said:
Are you supposed to find their relative velocities as a function of time, or are you just supposed to find it at t = 0?

Chet
Chestermiller said:
Are you supposed to find their relative velocities as a function of time, or are you just supposed to find it at t = 0?

Chet

I wasn't sure, so I figured writing the velocity of ##a## relative to ##b## as a function of time would be better, since I could just set ##t## equal to zero and get the initial relative velocity (##2l\omega \hat{\imath}##).
 
Nice job.

Chet
 

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