Relativistic Addition of Electron Velocities

[Cheezay]

Homework Statement

An electron moves to the right in a laboratory accelerator with a speed of 0.822c. A second electron in a different accelerator moves to the left with a speed of 0.424c relative to the first electron. Calculate the speed of the second electron (in c) relative to the lab. Do not enter unit.

Homework Equations

<br /> V_{a/c} = \frac{V_{a/b} + V_{b/c}}{1 + (V_{a/b} V_{b/c})/c^2}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution

Relativity is difficult for me to get a handle on. The way I am setting this up, is I'm using the velocity .822c for Va/b and -.424c(since it this one goes left) for Vb/c, and Vac would be the velocity of the second electron relative to the lab, however I'm not getting the right answer. I'm guessing that I don't have the velocities substituted in the proper places in the formula, any help?

 

[tiny-tim]

… I'm using the velocity .822c for Va/b and -.424c(since it this one goes left) for Vb/c, and Vac would be the velocity of the second electron relative to the lab …

Hi Cheezay!

You're using a for the 1st electron, and b for the lab, then b for the second electron and c for the 1st electron …

fiddle around with it, to get it consistent, and remember that V_a/b = -V_b/a

 

[Cheezay]

Ok. So considering that a = electron 1, b = electron 2, and c = lab... I now have Va/c= .822c, and because Va/b=-Vb/a.. i use -.424c for the speed of electron 2 relative to the lab. Now i solve for Vb/c. I'm fairly confident i have my equation set up correctly now, which means I'm making an algebraic error now... any help?

Using V as a variable, in place of Vb/c

.822c=[-.424c + V]/[1-(.424c x V)/(c^2)] c's cancel...

.822c=[-.424c + V]/[1-(.424 x V)/c] i move the whole term...

.822c[1-(.424 x V)/c]=-.424c + V distribute .822c (c's cancel again)

.822c - .348528 -.822V = -.424c +V

-.348528 - .822V = -1.246c + V

-.348528 - V = -1.51582c + V

-2V = -1.16729c so V= .583c which isn't correct


Any more help would be greatly appreciated! I have been on this problem for 3 days now!

 

[tiny-tim]

Hi Cheezay!

Ok. So considering that a = electron 1, b = electron 2, and c = lab... I now have Va/c= .822c, and because Va/b=-Vb/a.. i use -.424c for the speed of electron 2 relative to the lab.

(you mean relative to electron 1 )

Using V as a variable, in place of Vb/c

.822c=[-.424c + V]/[1-(.424c x V)/(c^2)] ...

However did you get an unknown on the RHS?

Choose a b and c (it might be easier if you call them 1 2 and L) so that the RHS contains your two knowns, and the unknown is on the LHS!

 

[Cheezay]

Ok.. I've figured it out. Thanks for the help!