Undergrad Relativistic addition question

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Observer A measures B moving at 0.8c and C moving at -0.8c, leading to a calculated separation rate of 1.6c, which does not violate relativity since individual speeds do not exceed c. In different frames, such as B's or C's, the velocities of A and C are adjusted due to relativistic effects, demonstrating that relative velocities cannot be simply added. The discussion emphasizes the distinction between "separation rate" and "relative velocity," highlighting that while distances can change rapidly, no individual object's speed exceeds c in any frame. The impact force observed in different frames remains consistent due to conservation of momentum and energy, despite variations in calculated speeds. Ultimately, the conversation illustrates the complexities of relativistic physics and the importance of understanding frame-dependent measurements.
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And now I'm thinking I was overthinking this, and that it should just be ##\phi## every time:

## \vec f = \dfrac{m}{\cosh{\phi}} \, \dfrac{d}{d \tau} \left( \sinh{\phi} \, \hat{v} \right) = m \left( \dfrac{d \phi}{d \tau} \hat{v} + v \dfrac{d \hat{v}}{d \tau}
\right).##

## \vec f_{\parallel \vec v} = m \left[ \left( \dfrac{d \phi}{d \tau} \hat{v} \right)_{\parallel \vec v} + \left( v \dfrac{d \hat{v}}{d \tau} \right)_{\parallel \vec v} \right]##

## \vec f_{\parallel \vec v} = m \left( \dfrac{d \phi}{d \tau} \hat{v} + \vec 0 \right), ##

so:

##f_{\parallel \vec v} = m \dfrac{d \phi}{d \tau},##

invariant under a boost in the ##\pm \hat{v}## direction (though in general ##\hat{v}## may rotate as the force is applied).

If that's right, then I guess I was getting myself confused earlier by the fact that ##\Delta \phi## isn't in the ##\pm \hat{v}## direction. That felt off (still kind of does).
 
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SiennaTheGr8 said:
If that's right, then I guess I was getting myself confused earlier by the fact that ##\Delta \phi## isn't in the ##\pm \hat{v}## direction. That felt off (still kind of does).

And now I'm very confident that it's right. The key point is that ##\vec v## is (at least) momentarily parallel to the boost axis, and so the infinitesimal ##d \phi## is indeed invariant under a collinear boost. Nothing feels off anymore, and I was wrong to bring the component ##\phi_{\parallel \vec v}## into this at all.

(Sorry if I've derailed the thread. That's my last word on this unless someone responds.)
 

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