Relativistic Doppler Effect and a Baseball

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the relativistic Doppler effect as it applies to a baseball being pitched and measured by a radar device. The original poster is tasked with determining the speed of the baseball based on the frequency shift of electromagnetic waves reflected from it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula for calculating speed based on frequency shift but encounters issues due to the double Doppler effect. Participants question the correct interpretation of the frequency shift and suggest alternative approaches to the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the implications of the double Doppler shift and discussing the appropriate equations to use. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct interpretation of the frequency shift, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a potential misunderstanding in the formula used and acknowledges an error in the representation of the frequency shift. There is an emphasis on clarifying the nature of the Doppler shifts involved in the scenario.

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[SOLVED] Relativistic Doppler Effect and a Baseball

Homework Statement



A baseball coach uses a radar device to measure the speed of an approaching pitched baseball. This device sends out electromagnetic waves with frequency f_0 and then measures the shift in frequency \Delta f of the waves reflected from the moving baseball.

If the fractional frequency shift produced by a baseball is \frac{\Delta f}{f_0} 2.88×10−7, what is the baseball's speed? (Hint: Are the waves Doppler-shifted a second time when reflected off the ball?)

Homework Equations



u = \frac{c((\frac{\delta f}{f_0})^2) - 1}{\frac{\delta f}{f_0})^2 + 1}

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried putting the variables in, but becasue there is a double doppler shift, the asnwer was incorrect. Was is the best way to do this question when a Double Shift occurs?

Any ideas gratly appreciated,

TFM

Edit: in the formulas, that should be a big Delta not a small Delta, Sorry
 
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If the DELf given is actually twice the doppler shift we're interested in... then what DELf should we use?
 
Would it be half?

TFM
 
exactly
 
When I enter it into the equation, it just seems to spit out the speed of Light...?

TFM
 
You're equation might not be quite right...

namely: where you have Delf / f; i think it should be (observed f) / (source f).
Del f / f = (source f - observed f) / (source f)

.. try it the other?
 
I was using the wrong formula :bugeye:

The equation to use is:

\frac{\Delta f}{f_0} = \frac{u}{c}

Thanks for the assistance, lzkelley, :smile:

TFM
 

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