Relativistic E and B fields of an infinitely long wire

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric field (##\vec{E}##) and magnetic field (##\vec{B}##) generated by an infinitely long wire with a constant charge density (##\lambda##) moving at relativistic speeds. The participants clarify the interpretation of the wire's motion, either parallel or perpendicular to its axis, and explore the use of the electrostatic potential (##\phi = - \lambda \ln(x^2+y^2)##) to derive the fields. They also discuss the application of Lorentz transformations to convert the fields from the moving frame (##\Sigma'##) to the stationary frame (##\Sigma##), addressing complications arising from the orientation of the wire in different frames.

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  • Understanding of electrostatics and electric fields
  • Familiarity with magnetic fields and current density (##\vec{j}##)
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  • Proficiency in vector calculus, particularly gradient operations (##\nabla##)
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Homework Statement



Hi everybody! I have the following problem to solve:

An infinitely long and thin straight wire carries a constant charge density ##\lambda## and moves at a constant relativistic speed ##\vec{v}## perpendicularly (##\beta##) and parallel (##\alpha##) to its axis.
a) Determine the ##\vec{E}## and ##\vec{B}## fields in the whole space.
b) Through which charge density ##\rho## and current density ##\vec{j}## are those fields generated?
Tip: previously we had the electrostatic potential ##\phi = - \lambda \ln(x^2+y^2)## for an infinitely long straight wire aligned with the ##z##-axis and with charge density ##\lambda##.

Homework Equations



##\vec{E} = -\nabla \phi - \partial_t \vec{A}##
##\vec{A} = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \int d^3x'\ \frac{\vec{j} (\vec{x}', t_r)}{|\vec{x} - \vec{x}'|}##
where ##t_r = t - \frac{|\vec{x} - \vec{x}'|}{c}##
##j_{\mu} = (j^0, j^i) = (c \rho, \rho \dot{\vec{x}})##

The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure what "parallel" and "perpendicular" here mean. Because of the given potential, I assumed that the wire is moving in the ##x##-direction at speed ##\alpha## and in the ##y##-direction at speed ##\beta##. Would you agree to this interpretation? It could also be that the wire moves in the ##z##-direction though ("parallel" to its axis), but then I imagine that the scalar potential should not be independent of ##z##. Is that right?

If my interpretation is correct I can calculate ##-\nabla \phi## which yields

##-\nabla \phi = \frac{2 \lambda}{ x^2+y^2} (x,y,0) = \frac{2 \lambda t}{t^2 (\alpha^2 + \beta^2)} (\alpha, \beta, 0)##

where I set ##x=\alpha t## and ##y=\beta t##. I am now not sure how to proceed regarding ##\vec{A}## since we didn't study the retarded time/potential yet (I could give it a try though). Should I try to calculate ##t_r## or is there another method I can use?Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions.Julien.
 
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Hi again! Actually I got another idea which sounds better to me even though I still don't manage to make it work.

I first calculate ##\vec{E}'(\vec{x}')## in the frame ##\Sigma'## of the moving wire so that I find myself in an electrostatics situation, therefore allowing me to calculate ##\vec{E}'(\vec{x}') = - \nabla \phi (\vec{x})## and having ##\vec{B}=0## since there is no current in that inertial frame. Then I'd perform a Lorentz transformation on both fields so that I retrieve the electric and magnetic fields in the not moving frame ##\Sigma##. Would that make sense?

Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.Julien.
 
JulienB said:
I first calculate ##\vec{E}'(\vec{x}')## in the frame ##\Sigma'## of the moving wire so that I find myself in an electrostatics situation, therefore allowing me to calculate ##\vec{E}'(\vec{x}') = - \nabla \phi (\vec{x})## and having ##\vec{B}=0## since there is no current in that inertial frame. Then I'd perform a Lorentz transformation on both fields so that I retrieve the electric and magnetic fields in the not moving frame ##\Sigma##. Would that make sense?
Hi, Julien. That sounds like a good way to go.
 
Hi @TSny and thanks for your answer. I give it a try:

I will redefine the velocity components because I want to keep ##\beta## for the Lorentz transformation. Therefore, the velocity is simply ##\vec{v}=(0, v_y, v_z)##. The frame of the moving wire is ##\Sigma'## while the non moving frame is ##\Sigma##. Another way to describe the latter is to say that it moves with velocity ##-\vec{v}## relative to the wire.

  • In ##\Sigma'##:
##\vec{v'}=0 \implies \begin{cases} \vec{E}' (\vec{x}') = - \nabla \phi' (\vec{x}') = \frac{2 \lambda}{x'^2+y'^2} (x',y',0) \\ \vec{B}'(\vec{x}')= 0 \end{cases}##

  • In ##\Sigma##:
##\vec{v} = (0,-v_y,-v_z) \implies x'=x, y'=\gamma(y+v_y t), z' = \gamma v_z t##
##\implies \vec{E}(\vec{x}) = \gamma (\vec{E}'(\vec{x}') + \frac{1}{c} (\vec{v} \times \vec{B}'(\vec{x}')) + \frac{\gamma^2}{c^2(1+\gamma)} (\vec{v} \cdot \vec{E}'(\vec{x}')) \vec{E}'(\vec{x}')##
##= \frac{2 \lambda \gamma}{x^2+\gamma^2(y+v_y t)^2} \bigg(1 + \frac{\gamma^2}{c^2(1+\gamma)} \frac{-v_y (y+ v_y t) - v_z^2 t}{x^2+\gamma^2(y+v_y t)^2} \bigg) (x, \gamma(y+v_y t), \gamma v_z t)##.

Well well that looks strange, especially since I was expecting that ##E_x'(\vec{x}') = E_x (\vec{x})##.. Am I doing something wrong with the Lorentz transformation? Did I transform for example the ##z##-component in the right way?Thank you very much in advance.Julien.
 
Your Lorentz transformation equations for ##y'## and ##z'## don't appear to be correct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation#Vector_transformations

Also, unless I'm mistaken, there is a complication due to the fact that the orientation of the rod changes as you change frames. You have the rod oriented along the z'-axis in the primed frame. However, in that case, the rod will generally not be oriented along the z-axis in the unprimed frame. Thus, your boost velocity component ##v_z## will not be parallel to the rod in the unprimed frame. Likewise, ##v_y## will not be perpendicular to the rod in the unprimed frame. So, ##v_z## and ##v_y## would not represent the quantities ##\alpha## and ##\beta## given in the problem statement.

At first, I thought the problem might be asking you to treat two cases separately:
(1) boost velocity perpendicular to rod
(2) boost velocity parallel to rod

That would be much easier than the case where the boost velocity has a nonzero component perpendicular to the rod and a nonzero component parallel to the rod. But it looks like they want you to do the harder problem.
 
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@TSny Thank you very much for your answer. I've given my homework back and am waiting for a feedback now. There was also an error in the script of my teacher for the Lorentz transformation of the electric field, that's why I was getting such a complicated equation. I'll let you know what the solution was once I get my homework back.
 
JulienB said:
@TSny Thank you very much for your answer. I've given my homework back and am waiting for a feedback now. There was also an error in the script of my teacher for the Lorentz transformation of the electric field, that's why I was getting such a complicated equation. I'll let you know what the solution was once I get my homework back.
OK. Thanks.
 

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