Relativistic Effect of Time Dilation: What is it Called?

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The discussion revolves around the relativistic effects of time dilation as experienced by travelers on a hypothetical journey to a star 500 light years away, traveling at 0.5 times the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of this travel on the perception of time and the relationship between the relativistic Doppler effect and time dilation.

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  • One participant describes a scenario where travelers perceive time running faster when looking towards the star and slower when looking back at Earth, suggesting a relationship between velocity and perceived time.
  • Another participant proposes that the effect described is the relativistic Doppler effect.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the Wikipedia entry on the relativistic Doppler effect, noting it focuses on redshift and blueshift without addressing perceived time passage.
  • Another participant argues that the alteration of perceived time is a personal interpretation and suggests that the initial calculations omit certain relativistic effects.
  • One participant introduces the concept of relativistic time dilation, providing a formula and correcting the travel time experienced by the travelers, indicating it would be approximately 866 years instead of 1000 years.
  • The same participant calculates the relativistic Doppler factor and connects it back to the perceived history of the star, suggesting that the initial claim about seeing 1500 years of history in 1000 years needs adjustment based on relativistic corrections.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology and implications of the effects discussed. While some agree on the relevance of the relativistic Doppler effect, others challenge the interpretations and calculations presented, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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Participants note that certain relativistic effects may be omitted from initial calculations, and there is a reliance on specific definitions and formulas that may not be universally accepted or understood in the same way.

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Let's take a star 500 light years away from Earth, let's call it Star X. To make round numbers let's say we are in Earth year 2000.
We set a manned space mission to Star X, the spaceship will travel at 0.5 light-years per year (0.5 c) so it will reach there in 1000 years. Let's not worry about the longevity of the travellers, let's assume they are superhumans who live more than 1000 years.

Upon departure in year 2000, the travellers obviously see Star X how it was 500 years earlier, in Earth year 1500. When they will arrive there 1000 years later, in year 3000, they will see how Star X looks like in year 3000.
So if they look forward towards Star X during the trip, in 1000 years of travel they will see the evolution of Star X in 1500 years. The travel time plus "catching up the delay" in light travel time from Star X to Earth. In other words they will perceive time running faster than normal, precisely 1.5 times faster than normal (while looking towards Star X, they will see 1500 years of the star's history condensed in 1000 years of their time).

Oppositely, if they look back towards Earth during the trip, on departure they see how Earth looks like in year 2000. When they arrive at Star X in year 3000, the Earth is 500 light years away so its light takes 500 years to reach them. They will see how Earth looked like in year 2500.
So they will perceive time running slower than normal, in the 1000 years of travel time they will see the evolution of Earth during 500 years. Time will appear to run at half its normal rate while looking back towards Earth.

This perception of time running faster or slower than normal, due to one's velocity towards / away from the light source, what is this effect called? Is it just time dilation? Is it relativistic Doppler effect? Does it have another name?

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Gerinski said:
Is it relativistic Doppler effect?

Yes.
 
Thank you, I checked "Relativistic Doppler effect" on Wiki and it only talks about the redshifting or blueshifting of light frequency, it does not mention anything about the alteration of the perceived rate of the passage of time, so that confused me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect
 
Gerinski said:
it only talks about the redshifting or blueshifting of light frequency, it does not mention anything about the alteration of the perceived rate of the passage of time, so that confused me.
That’s just two ways of saying the same thing. Imagine that there are radio transmitters on Earth and the remote destination, both sending out a one cycle per second signal (as measured by someone at rest relative to the transmitter). Now we can make a clock just by counting successive peaks in the signal; they’re one second apart so each peak is one tick of the clock.

And if we’re moving relative to the clocks/transmitters? The red or blue shift will mean a difference in the clock rate.
 
Gerinski said:
Thank you, I checked "Relativistic Doppler effect" on Wiki and it only talks about the redshifting or blueshifting of light frequency, it does not mention anything about the alteration of the perceived rate of the passage of time, so that confused me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect

The effect you are describing is indeed the relativistic doppler shift. The bit about it being an "alteration of the preceived time" is your own personal interpretation as far as I know. Since you're leaving some relativistic effects out of your calculation, it's not entirely correct as stated. However, the basic idea is not entirely wrong, but it's also not quite complete or correct as stated.

Let's fill in the missing effect with the exact relativistic fomula. Your normalized velocity is called ##\beta##, and is equal to .5 since ##\beta = v/c##.

The duration of the journey as measured by a clock on the ship is not 1000 years, but 1000 years / ##\gamma##, where ##\gamma = 1 / \sqrt{1-\beta2} = 2/\sqrt{3} ##. This means that the duration of the journey for a traveler on the ship is only about 866 years, ##1000 * \sqrt{3} / 2 ##. This effect is usually called "relativistic time dilation".

Your calculation that the travelers see 1500 years of history of the star on the journey is correct, but they see the 1500 years of history in 866 years, not 1000 years. This means that the relativistic doppler shift is not 1500/1000 = 1.5 but given by the wiki formula for relativistic doppler shift.

##\sqrt{1+\beta}/\sqrt{1-\beta} = \sqrt{3} = 1.73##, to two significant figures.

If you multiply the doppler factor of 1.73 by the length of the journey , 866 years, you do indeed get the 1500 year figure that you calculated earlier, ignoring rounding errors. What you were missing from your calculation is the relativistic correction to the duration of the journey, which is usually called "relativistic time dilation".
 
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