Relativistic energy and momentum questions.

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The discussion revolves around relativistic energy and momentum, specifically focusing on two problems involving a nucleus absorbing a photon and a radioactive nucleus emitting a gamma ray. Participants are exploring the implications of conservation laws in relativistic contexts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to apply conservation of 4-momentum to solve the problems. Questions about the rest energy of the nucleus and the relationship between energy and momentum are raised. Some participants express confusion over the calculations and the variables involved, particularly regarding the unknowns in the equations.

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There is ongoing exploration of the first problem, with participants seeking clarification on the rest energy and the implications of their calculations. Some have made progress on the second problem, while others are still seeking assistance with the first question.

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Participants are working under the constraints of not having certain variables, such as momentum, explicitly defined, which is affecting their ability to progress in their solutions.

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problems statement:
1. a nucleus of mass m initially at rest absorbs a gamma ray (photon) and is excited to a higher energy state such that its mass now is 1.01m, find the energy of the incoming photon needed to carry out this excitation.

2. A moving radioactive nucleus of known mass M emits a gamma ray in the forward direction and drops to its stable nonradiactive state of known mass m.
Find the energy E_A of the incoming nucleus such that the resulting mass m nucleus is at rest. The unknown energy E_c of the outgoing gamma ray should not appear in the answer.
attempt at solution
1.well, for the first question i think this is fairly simple:
from conservation of 4-momentum we have before 4-momentum is:(mc,0) after
(E/c+E_ph/c,P) so we have : (mc)^2=(E/c+E_ph/c)^2-P^2=(E/c)^2-P^2+2EE_ph/c^2+(E_ph/c)^2=(1.01mc)^2+2EE_ph/c^2+(E_ph/c)^2 where (E/c)^2-P^2=(1.01mc)^2, here I am kind of stuck with E which is not given, any hints?

2.for the second the answer in the book is E_A=((M^2+m^2)/2m)c^2
but i don't get it, here's my attempt to solve it:
the before 4 momentum is (E_A/c,P) after: (E_c/c,0)+(mc,0)=(E_c/c+mc,0)
which by the square of the momentums we get that:
(E_A/c)^2-P^2=(E_c/c+mc)^2=(Mc)^2 but I am not given P so I am kind of stuck here again, i thought perhaps calculate it in the rest frame of M which means that the before is:
(E_A/c,0) the after is (E_c/c,0)+(E/c,-P) but still don't get far with it, any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
 
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For question one, what is the 'rest energy' of the nucleus?
 
well, if it wans't clear in my post, obviously it's mc^2, and i wrote in 4 momentum notation (mc,0) for the before the absorption of the photon.
 
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but couldn't you write;

[tex]p^2 = (mc)^2 - (1.01mc)^2[/tex]
 
well first, it should be minus that ofocurse cause this way we get a negatrive value where everything there is positive.

and I am not sure, what's wrong with what i wrote, first we have (mc,0) after that we have the absorption: (E/c+E_ph/c,p) now (E/c)^2-p^2=(1.01mc)^2 and
E_ph=mc-E/c=mc-sqrt((p)^2+(1.01mc)^2) but how do you find p?
 
i think that p=E_ph/c, am i wrong?
 
ok, i solved question number 2.
 
any news on question number 1?
 

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