Relativistic vs. non-relativistic quantum mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of relativistic versus non-relativistic quantum mechanics in various physical scenarios. Participants explore when it is appropriate to use each framework, particularly in relation to low-energy systems and practical calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that non-relativistic quantum mechanics is often used for low-energy systems, while relativistic quantum mechanics is primarily applied through quantum field theory when particle creation and annihilation are involved.
  • There is a question about whether the limited use of relativistic quantum mechanics is due to inadequacies in the theory or the practical nature of physicists.
  • Concerns are raised about potentially missing important aspects of a system if evaluated using non-relativistic methods.
  • One participant humorously questions whether general relativity is necessary for calculating the fall of keys, indicating a practical approach to physics.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while Newton's laws are often sufficient for practical calculations, one must evaluate the regime of the problem to determine the appropriate theoretical framework.
  • A scenario is presented regarding the choice between the Schrödinger and Dirac equations for examining the hydrogen atom, questioning whether to use the Dirac equation or the Schrödinger equation based on the energy states of interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using relativistic versus non-relativistic quantum mechanics, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of evaluating the specific regime of a problem and the potential implications of using non-relativistic approximations, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or limitations of each approach.

Kamper
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Would one consequently use relativistic QM or in some cases use the non relativistic postulates when dealing with a problem in the same that classical physics are used frequently when one deals with objects traveling at speeds much lower then the speed of ligth??
 
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One fairly uses non-rel. QM when dealing with low energy systems. The only systematic and meaningful way of using relativistic QM is through quantum field theory, when one has to deal with the possible creation/annihilation of particle species.
 
But is a general inadequacy in the theory to blame for the limited use or does it just speak to the practical nature of physicsist?

And wouldn't one risk missing important points if one's system evaluation is non relativistic?
 
Kamper said:
But is a general inadequacy in the theory to blame for the limited use or does it just speak to the practical nature of physicsist?

And wouldn't one risk missing important points if one's system evaluation is non relativistic?

If you drop your keys, do you use general relativity to calculate how long it takes your keys to hit the ground?
 
George Jones said:
If you drop your keys, do you use general relativity to calculate how long it takes your keys to hit the ground?

Well, depends ón how meticulous you are...;-)
 
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All risk is of course calculated.
Even with gravitation, for pratical issues Newton's law is fairly used because it is a very good approximation, and a 5cm error when computing the position of the moon is not a big deal.
The thing is, when dealing with a problem one has to evaluate in what regime the problem undergoes. Sometimes the system always stays in a classical regime and it is a very good approximation to use non-relativistic results.
Of course when in doubt use the complete theory and then proceed to evaluate the contribution of relativistic corrections to see of their importance.
For theoretical purposes, always use the complete theory, and then compute in different regimes if necessary. I would say this is a kind of 'common sense' aproach.
 
So:
Suppose one is examining the hydrogen atom and one is in doubt whether to use the Schrödinger or the Dirac equation. Would one then proceed with the Dirac or, if only the low energy states are of interest, use the Schrödinger?
 

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