Relativists please answer this scnerio

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario involving relativistic travel and the implications of time dilation. Participants explore the calculations of speed and the reliability of various timekeeping methods in the context of Einstein's theory of relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a scenario where a person traveling at 0.75C claims to have traveled at 1.1333C based on their own time measurement, leading to a discussion on the validity of their clock and the concept of time dilation.
  • Nehemiah argues against the concept of time dilation, suggesting that various clocks can malfunction due to environmental factors, thus questioning the reliability of time measurement in relativistic contexts.
  • Nehemiah lists several types of clocks (water-based hourglass, sand-based hourglass, bacterial clock, atomic clock) and their potential failures under different conditions, asserting that these failures indicate issues with the clocks rather than time itself dilating.
  • Post 2 and Post 3 reiterate that the atomic clock is a standard time measurer and that its behavior under high velocity is a demonstration of time dilation, though some participants challenge the reliability of atomic clocks.
  • Post 4 addresses Nehemiah's posting style and suggests adherence to forum guidelines, indicating a meta-discussion about communication rather than the technical content of the debate.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of time dilation and the reliability of different timekeeping methods. There is no consensus on the validity of Nehemiah's claims or the interpretation of relativistic effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the reliability of various clocks under different conditions, but the discussion does not resolve these concerns or clarify the implications for the theory of relativity.

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Here is a scenario...two places A & B

A--------- 7.5 LM distance (1349066061 KM) -----------------B

Build a wall @ B, A person starts high speed and he stops @ B as soon as he hit.
Person A starts @ 10:00 am and he travels @ .75C speed
So according to A he took 6.61443 mins to cover distance of A--->B

According to observer A took 10 mins to reach B
According to the observer the velocity was distance/time = 7.5LM/10M = .75C which matches the reality

Immediately after the journey this question was thrown to the driver, "Sir may we know the speed of your Jet?"
Person A calculates and says "well I covered 1349066061km in 6.61443 mins, So I guess my velocity was 1.1333C...

However according to Einstein’s theory nothing can cross Speed of light, but that driver claims he traveled @ 1.13C speed...Sot the driver's calculation is wrong, because his clock got malfunctioned.

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Nehemiah is a strong opposing energy against time dilation, And he strongly believes people who says time dilates they forgot to blame the clock but time.

Nehemiah's few strong points against time dilation are as follows, "All clocks in the world are somewhere inefficient"

1. Water based hourglass doesn't work well due to low temperature ( ~viscosity differs)

2. A sand based hourglass, doesn't work well when we go out of Earth due to low gravity.

3. A bacterial clock doesn't well if it is kept inside a refrigerator. (Bacterial clock means a clock which shows time by measuring the # of bacteria inside a bottle based on the speed of reproduction) If you have two bacterial clock and keep one inside fridge and another outside fridge;Of course the clock inside fridge will run slowly...If a person says "when temperature gets down then time dilates, and when temperature reaches 0"celsius time stops", he must be obviously a moron"

4. Atomic clock doesn't function well in case of high velocity...

So all the above mentioned clocks are subject to malfunctioning due to variance of viscosity, gravity, velocity & temperature.

Yet Nehemiah never understood why relativists keep saying time dilates. How can time dilate, Its none other that your clock runs slow...not the time
 
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the atomic clock is the time measurer and the one u said that the atomic clock run slower at high velocity that phenomina is only time dialition.
 
bapul4u said:
the atomic clock is the time measurer and the one u said that the atomic clock run slower at high velocity that phenomina is only time dialition.

NO...Atomic clock is NOT the perfect time measure...What made us to think like that? Can't atomic clock fail and better technology come tomorrow?...In fact I have better clock than atomic clock which is not affected by high velocity... :)
 
Nehemiah needs to read the thread labeled "IMPORTANT! Read before posting" at the top of this page.

Nehemiah needs to follow those guidelines to post here.

It would help Nehemiah if he were to stop referring to himself in the third person. Nehemiah might think that it gives Nehemiah's posts some gravitas, but it is more likely to invoke other instances like "Mongo only pawn in game of life".
 

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