Relativity and energy conservation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem in relativity involving a rocket powered by a photon radiation engine. Participants are tasked with demonstrating a relationship between the initial and final rest masses of the rocket while considering energy conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy to relate the initial and final masses of the rocket but expresses uncertainty about their assumptions. Other participants introduce momentum conservation and provide equations related to energy and momentum of photons, suggesting algebraic manipulation to reach a solution.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided equations and insights that may help clarify the problem, while the original poster is still grappling with their initial calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates a potential misunderstanding in their assumptions regarding the conservation of energy, which may affect their calculations. The discussion includes references to specific equations and variables relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement



A rocket uses a photon radiation engine. Knowing that from a reference R the initial and final rest masses of the rocket are Mi and Mf show that

Mi / Mf = sqrt [ ( c + v ) / ( c - v ) ]

and that the rocket was initially resting on R


Homework Equations



Total Energy = Mo.c^2 + T (kinetic)

T= Mo.(c^2).{ [1 - (v^2 / c^2)]^(-1) -1 }


The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the total energy on the instants i and f, like this

Ei = Mi.c^2

Ef = Mf.c^2 + Tf

and since there's conservation of the total energy Ei = Ef

in the end i got

Mi / Mf = sqrt [ ( c^2 ) / (c^2 - v^2) ]

so... i must have assumed something wrong ;/
any tips?
 
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Let E and p be the magnitudes of the total energy and momentum of the photons respectively. If the velocity v of the rocket is directed to the right, say, then the direction of p is to the left. Let 'g' denote gamma(v).

E = pc --(1) (for photons)

By conservation of momentum,

p = Mf*g*v --(2)

Initial total energy = final total energy =>

Mi*c^2 = E + Mf*g*c^2 --(3)

Now, put E = pc = Mf*g*v and do the algebra. It's not very hard.
 
hi, thanks a lot for the help with the equations :)

got the math right, thanks again for the help
 

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