Relativity: Inertial vs. Coordinate Systems Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between inertial systems and coordinate systems within the context of relativity. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these concepts, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the difference between inertial systems and coordinate systems in relativity.
  • Another participant defines a coordinate system as a mathematical construct used to assign values to points in space and time, while an inertial system is described as a physical system that is not accelerating and has no external forces acting on it.
  • It is noted that all inertial coordinate systems at rest with respect to each other belong to the same inertial frame.
  • A further explanation is provided that a coordinate system assigns three spatial coordinates and one time coordinate to events in spacetime, and that an inertial coordinate system allows for the identification of inertial motion based on position coordinates remaining constant over time.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding whether "inertial system" and "inertial coordinate system" are interchangeable terms, with a suggestion that "inertial system" may refer to a physical apparatus used to define coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple perspectives on the definitions and implications of inertial and coordinate systems, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with no clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and interpretations may depend on specific contexts or assumptions that are not fully articulated, leaving room for further exploration of the concepts.

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Can anyone explain me what is the difference between inertial system and coordinate system in relativity? Please make me understand.
 
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A coordinate system is a mathematical concept- just a way of assigning values to each point so you can "tell them apart". In physics those are normally position and time.

An "inertial system" is a physical system that is not accelerating: in particular there are no external forces acting on it.
 
Also, all inertial coordinates systems at rest with respect to each other belong to the same inertial frame.
 
A coordinate system is just a way of assigning 3 position coordinates and 1 time coordinate to every point in spacetime in the region the system covers, so you can identify the coordinates of particular events, like "this event happened at position x=5 meters on the x-axis, y=3 meters on the y-axis, z=10 meters on the z-axis, and time t=12 seconds." An inertial coordinate system is just one where, if an object's position coordinate stays the same over time relative to this coordinate system, that automatically means the object is moving inertially. I'm not sure if there's a difference between "inertial system" and "inertial coordinate system"--it may be that "inertial system" is meant to imply something like an actual physical apparatus for defining the coordinates of an inertial coordinate system. In SR we imagine that coordinates can be assigned using a grid of inertially-moving rulers with synchronized clocks placed at each marking, and then the coordinates of a given event would correspond to the ruler-markings and the readings of the clock that were right next to the event as it happened.
 

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