Relatvitiy - Spaceship traveling into Galaxy

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of relativity, specifically involving a spaceship traveling across the galaxy. The original poster is attempting to determine the required speed for the spaceship to cross the galaxy in a specific time frame as measured on board the ship, while also considering how long the journey would take from the perspective of an observer on Earth.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the formula v = d/t, questioning its applicability due to the different frames of reference for distance and time. There are attempts to express the time taken in the galaxy's frame in relation to the time experienced on the spaceship.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the need to use consistent frames of reference and have suggested expressing time in terms of the other frame. There is acknowledgment of confusion regarding the use of the galaxy's radius as distance and the need for further clarification on how to approach the problem.

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Participants note the conversion of the galaxy's radius into light years and the implications of using relativistic length contraction in their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the lengths and the variables involved in the equations.

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1.The radius of our galaxy is approx. 3x10^20 m. A spaceship sets out to cross the galaxy in 25 years, as measured on board the ship. With what uniform speed does the spaceship need to travel? How long wold the trip take, as measured by a timepiece stationed on Earth?
2. v=d/t
3. So far I have converted the 25 years into seconds using proportions of 1 yr = 31556952 to get 788923800 seconds in 25 years. I found the velocity using v=d/t. d = radius of galaxy and t = 788923800 seconds

I am not sure if I am doing this right, and what do I have to do find out how long this trip would take? I don't think my distance is correct

thanks
 
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Nitric said:
1.The radius of our galaxy is approx. 3x10^20 m. A spaceship sets out to cross the galaxy in 25 years, as measured on board the ship. With what uniform speed does the spaceship need to travel? How long wold the trip take, as measured by a timepiece stationed on Earth?



2. v=d/t
You can't use that equation with the values given since the "d" is given in the frame of the galaxy and the "t" is in the frame of the spaceship. You need to use all values in one frame. You could express the time it takes in the frame of the galaxy in terms of the time in the frame of the spaceship. If it takes 25 yrs in the frame of the ship, how long does it take in the frame of the galaxy? (you can't get a number but you can find an expression in terms of the 25 years and of the speed). Once you have that time "t'", then you may use v = d/t'. And you will be able to solve for the speed v.
 
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Oops, nrgd has given a far better answer! I fear I missed something - not surprising with relativity.
 
nrqed said:
You can't use that equation with the values given since the "d" is given in the frame of the galaxy and the "t" is in the frame of the spaceship. You need to use all values in one frame. You could express the time it takes in the frame of the galaxy in terms of the time in the frame of the spaceship. If it takes 25 yrs in the frame of the ship, how long does it take in the frame of the galaxy? (you can't get a number but you can find an expression in terms of the 25 years and of the speed). Once you have that time "t'", then you may use v = d/t'. And you will be able to solve for the speed v.
I knew there was something wrong with using the radius as my d. thanks for that, but I'm still unsure of how to attack the problem
 
Nitric said:
I knew there was something wrong with using the radius as my d. thanks for that, but I'm still unsure of how to attack the problem

If it takes 25 years in the ship's frame, it will take (gamma times 25) years as measured in the galaxy's frame.
 
I got through a little bi t of the problem. I learned that I had to convert the radius of the galaxy into light years and use it as the length.

Converting 3x10^20m to lights years is -> 31712.47 light years. I have to use the formula L(v) = L_0 * sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Now I have two lengths in this equation, I have one of the length (31712.47 lt yrs) what should be the other length? I am trying to solve for velocity from that equation ( L(v) = L_0 * sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) )
 

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