Remainder Theorem and Error Help Why are these 2 examples different?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the differences in approaches to estimating the error of Taylor series approximations for the sine function, specifically comparing two examples involving the approximation sin(x) ≈ x - (x^3)/6. Participants are exploring the application of the Remainder Theorem and the properties of alternating series in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the Remainder Theorem in one example versus the error estimation from the first unused term in an alternating series in another. Questions arise about why different methods are applied and whether similar results could be obtained if the conditions were altered.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the differences in error estimation techniques, noting that the alternating series approach focuses on the first unused term while the Remainder Theorem applies a more general formula. The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the implications of these methods on the results.

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Participants are grappling with the differences in error bounds for approximations within specified thresholds (1/100 and 1/1000) and how these thresholds influence the choice of method. There is an acknowledgment of the constraints posed by the professor's absence and the need for clarity on the concepts involved.

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So we had two examples in class, but I don't understand why they're different. And the professor is away today, which means I won't see him until the entire weekend has passed (a nightmare for students like me who obsess over a problem).

1. For which x is the approximation sin(x) ≈ x - (x^3)/6 correct within 1/100?


The Taylor series for sin(x):

x - (x^3)/3! + (x^5)/5! - (x^7)/7! + ...


The answer was, For every x not equal to 0, this is an alternating series. Thus the error in sin(x) ≈ x - (x^3)/3! is no larger than |(x^5)/5!|. So |(x^5)/5!| < 1/100. 2. For which x is the approximation sin(x) = x - x^3/6 correct within 1/1000?

My professor took the 3 order polynomial for the Taylor Series of sin(x) and used the Remainder Theorem:
R3(x) = (f4c)(x-0)4/4!

f(x) = sin(x)
f1(x) = cos(x)
f2(x) = -sin(x)
f3(x) = -cos(x)
f4(x) = sin(x)


So |sin(c)| ≤ 1
|R3(x)| ≤ |x|4/4!

Answer: |x|4/4! ≤ 1/1000I don't understand why they used Remainder Theorem for the second one. Yes, I know the 1/100 and 1/1000 are different :devil: But why is the approach different?
 
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Cloudless said:
So we had two examples in class, but I don't understand why they're different. And the professor is away today, which means I won't see him until the entire weekend has passed (a nightmare for students like me who obsess over a problem).

1. For which x is the approximation sin(x) ≈ x - (x^3)/6 correct within 1/100?


The Taylor series for sin(x):

x - (x^3)/3! + (x^5)/5! - (x^7)/7! + ...


The answer was, For every x not equal to 0, this is an alternating series. Thus the error in sin(x) ≈ x - (x^3)/3! is no larger than |(x^5)/5!|. So |(x^5)/5!| < 1/100.


2. For which x is the approximation sin(x) = x - x^3/6 correct within 1/1000?

My professor took the 3 order polynomial for the Taylor Series of sin(x) and used the Remainder Theorem:
R3(x) = (f4c)(x-0)4/4!

f(x) = sin(x)
f1(x) = cos(x)
f2(x) = -sin(x)
f3(x) = -cos(x)
f4(x) = sin(x)


So |sin(c)| ≤ 1
|R3(x)| ≤ |x|4/4!

Answer: |x|4/4! ≤ 1/1000


I don't understand why they used Remainder Theorem for the second one. Yes, I know the 1/100 and 1/1000 are different :devil: But why is the approach different?


In the first, your professor is using a result that applies only to alternating series, in which the error is less than the absolute value of the first unused term. In the second, he/she is using a more general result that applies to Taylor series, in which the error is estimated by a formula involving the next term in the series.
 
Mark44 said:
In the first, your professor is using a result that applies only to alternating series, in which the error is less than the absolute value of the first unused term. In the second, he/she is using a more general result that applies to Taylor series, in which the error is estimated by a formula involving the next term in the series.

So if the second question was instead the same as the first ( For which x is the approximation sin(x) = x - (x^3)/6 correct within 1/100? ), I should be able to find an answer identical to the first answer?

Steps: Same procedure for the 2nd example above. Instead, |R3(x)| ≤ 1/100, so

|x|^4/4! ≤ 1/100.

But according to the answer in the first example, it should be |x|^5/5! ≤ 1/100, I thought.
 
If I'm understanding your question correctly, then no, the two techniques would not give the same answer for an error less than 1/100.

In both techniques we are approximating sin(x) by x - x3/6
The alternating series remainder technique calculates the error from the first unused term, which is fifth degree.
The Taylor remainder theorem calculates the error from the next term, which is fourth degree. For values of x that are reasonably close to zero, x5 < x4.
 

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