Remark on the Definition of Differentials .... Lafontaine page 5 ....

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The discussion revolves around the definition of differentials as presented in Jacques Lafontaine's book "An Introduction to Differential Manifolds." Participants are seeking clarification on how to rewrite Lafontaine's definition in a specific mathematical form, exploring concepts related to differential calculus, affine spaces, and vector operations.

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  • Peter seeks help to understand how to rewrite Lafontaine's definition of differentials in the form $$\overrightarrow{ f(a) f(x) } = L \cdot \vec{ax} + o( \vec{ax} )$$.
  • Evgeny explains properties of plotting vectors in affine spaces, noting that in the book, $$x$$ is defined as $$a+h$$, leading to the conclusion that $$h=\overrightarrow{ax}$$.
  • Peter expresses continued confusion and requests an explicit derivation of the equation.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between vector spaces and affine spaces, emphasizing that an affine space does not have a defined zero vector.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of $$f(a+h)$$ and the relationship between points and vectors in affine spaces.
  • It is noted that a high school understanding of vectors may be sufficient to grasp the concepts discussed.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and concepts involved, with some agreeing on the properties of affine spaces while others seek further clarification on the mathematical derivation. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to explore the topic.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of differentials and the operations in affine spaces. The mathematical steps leading to the proposed equation are not fully resolved, and there is a reliance on specific definitions that may not be universally understood.

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I am reading the book "An Introduction to Differential Manifolds" (Springer) by Jacques Lafontaine ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 1: Differential Calculus ...

I need help in order to fully understand a remark by Lafontaine following his definition of differentials ...

Lafontaine's definition of differentials followed by the remark in question read as follows:View attachment 8514
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At the start of the above remark, Lafontaine writes the following:"We can rewrite the definition in the form $$\overrightarrow{ f(a) f(x) } = L \cdot \vec{ax} + o( \vec{ax} )$$ ... ... "
Can someone please explain (simply and in detail) how Lafontaine's definition can be rewritten in the form $$\overrightarrow{ f(a) f(x) } = L \cdot \vec{ax} + o( \vec{ax} )$$
Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 

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In any affine space, including $$\mathbb{R}^n$$, there is an operation of plotting a vector $$\vec{v}$$ from point $$P$$, denoted by $$P+\vec{v}$$. The result is another point, which is the end of the vector. This operation has the following properties:
  1. $$P+\vec{0}=P$$.
  2. $$(P+\vec{u})+\vec{v}=P+(\vec{u}+\vec{v})$$.
  3. For any points $$P$$ and $$Q$$ there is a unique vector $$\vec{v}$$ such as $$P+\vec{v}=Q$$. This $$\vec{v}$$ is denoted by $$\overrightarrow{PQ}$$.
It follows from uniqueness that $$Q=P+\vec{v}$$ implies $$\vec{v}=\overrightarrow{PQ}$$. In the book $x$ is defined as $a+h$ (plotting vector $h$ from point $a$), so $h=\overrightarrow{ax}$.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
In any affine space, including $$\mathbb{R}^n$$, there is an operation of plotting a vector $$\vec{v}$$ from point $$P$$, denoted by $$P+\vec{v}$$. The result is another point, which is the end of the vector. This operation has the following properties:
  1. $$P+\vec{0}=P$$.
  2. $$(P+\vec{u})+\vec{v}=P+(\vec{u}+\vec{v})$$.
  3. For any points $$P$$ and $$Q$$ there is a unique vector $$\vec{v}$$ such as $$P+\vec{v}=Q$$. This $$\vec{v}$$ is denoted by $$\overrightarrow{PQ}$$.
It follows from uniqueness that $$Q=P+\vec{v}$$ implies $$\vec{v}=\overrightarrow{PQ}$$. In the book $x$ is defined as $a+h$ (plotting vector $h$ from point $a$), so $h=\overrightarrow{ax}$.
Thanks for the help Evgeny ...

Still reflecting over this ... and still a bit puzzled ...

Can you show explicitly how to derive $$\overrightarrow{ f(a) f(x) } = L \cdot \vec{ax} + o( \vec{ax} )$$That, I think, would help a lot ...Thanks again,

Peter
 
Do you understand the distinction between a "vector space" and an "affine space"? In a vector space we have a defined "zero vector" while in an "affine space" we do not. Think of it as the distinction between a plane with a given coordinate system and just a plane. In an affine space we can designate a point "a" and then talk of the "vector" from "a" to any point, so that we have a vector space with "a" being the zero vector.
 
Peter said:
Can you show explicitly how to derive

$$\overrightarrow{ f(a) f(x) } = L \cdot \vec{ax} + o( \vec{ax} )$$
The definition is
\[
f(a+h)=f(a)+Lh+o(h).
\]
Here $a$ and $f(a+h)$ are points, $h$ and $Lh$ are vectors and $+$ is the operation of drawing a vector from a given point, whose result is the endpoint of the vector. The function $o(h)$ also returns a vector whose magnitude divided by the magnitude of $h$ tends to $0$ as $|h|\to 0$.

Define $x=a+h$. Then $h=\overrightarrow{ax}$ from axiom 3 of affine spaces. So
\[
f(x)=f(a)+L\overrightarrow{ax}+o(\overrightarrow{ax}).
\]
Again by axiom 3
\[
\overrightarrow{f(a)f(x)}=L\overrightarrow{ax}+o(\overrightarrow{ax}).
\]

Country Boy said:
In a vector space we have a defined "zero vector" while in an "affine space" we do not.
I wouldn't put it quite like that. An affine space is a triple $(A,V,{+})$ where $A$ is a set of points, $V$ is a vector space, and $+$ satisfies the three axioms in post #2. So if we say that $A$ does not have a zero vector, this is true because $A$ does not contain any vector, just points. On the other hand, $V$ certainly contains a zero vector.

Country Boy said:
In an affine space we can designate a point "a" and then talk of the "vector" from "a" to any point, so that we have a vector space with "a" being the zero vector.
Yes, but again, I wouldn't mix points and vectors: they are objects of different nature. Any point can be designated as an origin, and then there is a 1-1 correspondence between points and vectors from the origin to those points.

One does not need to know the precise definition of affine spaces to understand how the remark in the book follows from the definition. It is sufficient to have high school understanding of vectors.
 

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