Renormalised Mass and the Higgs Boson

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The discussion revolves around the concept of renormalised mass in the context of the Higgs boson, specifically focusing on the equations governing the renormalisation process, the implications of quantum corrections, and the challenges associated with the bare mass. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and the implications of these concepts in particle physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for the renormalised mass of the Higgs boson and questions the meaning of the parameter μ in the context of their equations.
  • Another participant identifies the Higgs fine-tuning problem, noting that the bare mass and quantum corrections must cancel nearly exactly, and mentions that supersymmetric models may provide a solution by altering the terms involved.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the sign of the bare mass, with one participant suggesting a potential sign error in the quantum correction term.
  • Another participant questions whether the renormalised mass corresponds to the measured 125 GeV and whether the capital λ represents the UV-limit of 1019 GeV.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to derive the value of the bare mass from the equations, indicating that they are obtaining negative values for m0.
  • A later reply mentions that the bare mass cannot be measured directly and refers to the use of an infinite negative bare mass to cancel positive infinities, citing Freeman Dyson's perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the equations and the implications for the bare mass and quantum corrections. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the parameters or the resolution of the sign issue regarding the bare mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of the equations, particularly regarding the assumptions about the bare mass and the nature of quantum corrections. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and challenges in the theoretical framework.

Sekonda
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Hey,

I have the following equation for the renormalised mass of some scalar particle (i.e. Higgs boson)

m_{r}^{2}=m_{0}^{2}+\frac{\lambda}{32\pi^{2}}( \Lambda ^{2}-m_{0}^{2}ln(1+\frac{\Lambda^{2}}{\mu^{2}}))

Where I have the first order correction to the mass of the loop in a two point function as

\delta m^{2}=\frac{\lambda}{32\pi^{2}}(\Lambda^{2}-m^{2}ln(1+\frac{\Lambda^{2}}{m^{2}}))

Now I'm a bit confused with all these different terms and wanted to know what μ means in the top equation as I'd of thought it was just our mass squared in the second equation?

I suppose, more importantly, what I want to ask is the 'Renormalised Mass' the mass we measure (so for the Higgs Boson 125GeV) and the capital Lambda is our UV-limit (on Planck scale 10^(19)GeV). If this is so then our bare mass is negative??

Also is it safe to assume the self-coupling constant of a Higgs boson is 1/8?

I'm sure we measure the mass to be about 125GeV however quantum corrections due to the 'divergences' (from virtual particles) want to push this mass up by about an order of 10^(17) which is not observed... so there 'must' be something else going on...

Is this correct?

Thanks,
SK
 
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Sekonda said:
I'm sure we measure the mass to be about 125GeV however quantum corrections due to the 'divergences' (from virtual particles) want to push this mass up by about an order of 10^(17) which is not observed... so there 'must' be something else going on...
This is known as Higgs fine tuning problem: The bare mass and the quantum corrections have to be huge, and cancel nearly exactly.
Supersymmetric models replace the linear term by a logarithm, which requires less fine-tuning.
 
Well I think I have understood this correctly to minute detail! I want to know how I show with my given equation the order of the 'quantum corrections'... I'll keep looking at it but I'm getting the m_0 as negative - which is wrong!

Thanks for getting back to me,
SK
 
Maybe a sign error for the quantum correction?
I think I saw a negative m_0^2 somewhere.
 
Would I be correct in saying that the renormalised mass m_(r) is the 125GeV and the capital λ is the 10^(19)GeV?
 
It seems to make sense that we say

m_r^{2}=m_{0}^{2}+\delta m^{2}

Where I have

\delta m^{2}=\frac{\lambda}{32\pi^{2}}(\Lambda^{2}-m^{2}ln(1+\frac{\Lambda^{2}}{m^{2}}))

I believe I use values for:

m_r=125GeV\: ,\: \Lambda=10^{19}GeV

However I'm not sure how I can use these to show what value the bare mass is because I keep getting negative masses for m_0. Though saying this, I'm not sure what mass we use in the correction δm^2 ; I assumed it was just the bare mass - but I'm not sure.
 
bare mass can not be measured because for that you will have to take the self interaction away which is not the case.In some case an infinite negative bare mass is used to cancel other positive infinity to get sensible terms.This is how it works. the statement here is due to freeman Dyson.
 

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