Repelling Non-Magnetized Metal

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using magnets or electromagnets to repel non-magnetized metals, particularly focusing on the mechanisms of electron alignment and magnetic field interactions. Participants explore theoretical ideas and practical implications related to magnetic levitation and repulsion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if a magnet can quickly reverse its polarity, it might create a temporary repulsion with a metal that has retained some charge from the magnet.
  • Another participant challenges the initial logic by questioning the assumption that all metals would be attracted to magnets if the proposed mechanism were valid.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the nature of electron realignment in steel and its implications for magnetic attraction.
  • One reply suggests that the idea of rapidly reversing polarity has theoretical plausibility, noting that electron realignment may occur slower than magnetic field changes.
  • Another participant mentions that the mechanism described does not align with common magnetic levitation methods, referencing Lenz's Law and induced currents as a basis for repulsion in magnetic fields.

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Participants do not reach consensus, as there are competing views on the feasibility of the proposed mechanism and the nature of magnetic interactions with metals.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about electron behavior in magnetic fields and the specific types of metals being discussed. The discussion also highlights the distinction between theoretical concepts and established magnetic levitation techniques.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in electromagnetism, magnetic levitation, and the behavior of materials in magnetic fields.

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So I've just been thinking about how one could possible use Magnets/Electromagnets to repel from a metal.

I came up with the following thought:

Metal is attracted to a magnet because the magnet aligns the electrons in the metal to the opposite of the magnet (ie. a N pole put to a metal will charge the side facing the magnet to be S).

If the metal keeps the charge somewhat after removing the magnet, could you not quickly flip the magnet so that the charge in the metal is now the same as the charge of the magnet?

Of course it would quickly realign the metal to attract, but for an instant wouldn't it repel with like charges?

If that's true, couldn't you repel a metal by quickly reversing the polarity of the magnet faster than the magnetic field of the metal can realign? As the charge began to realign, the magnet would stop repelling, but before it could fall, the pole would be flipped.

Is my logic faulty, or would this just be too impractical to time perfectly? Or is there an easier way to repel a metal without having to align the charge beforehand (the final idea would be to create a frictionless buffer around a metal flagpole).

Thanks!
 
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BigCheese said:
So I've just been thinking about how one could possible use Magnets/Electromagnets to repel from a metal.

I came up with the following thought:

Metal is attracted to a magnet because the magnet aligns the electrons in the metal to the opposite of the magnet (ie. a N pole put to a metal will charge the side facing the magnet to be S).

If the metal keeps the charge somewhat after removing the magnet, could you not quickly flip the magnet so that the charge in the metal is now the same as the charge of the magnet?

Of course it would quickly realign the metal to attract, but for an instant wouldn't it repel with like charges?

If that's true, couldn't you repel a metal by quickly reversing the polarity of the magnet faster than the magnetic field of the metal can realign? As the charge began to realign, the magnet would stop repelling, but before it could fall, the pole would be flipped.

Is my logic faulty, or would this just be too impractical to time perfectly? Or is there an easier way to repel a metal without having to align the charge beforehand (the final idea would be to create a frictionless buffer around a metal flagpole).

Thanks!

Your logic is faulty. If this is true, then ALL metal will be attracted to magnets. Would you like to check if this is true?

Zz.
 
I'm assuming the metal to be Steel, not a non-magnetic material.

I'm not quite sure which part of my logic is faulty. If the electrons aren't realigned when in a magnetic field, why exactly then is steel attract to a magnet? If they are realigned, why doesn't it provide a small field of itself?
 
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BigCheese said:
... couldn't you repel a metal by quickly reversing the polarity of the magnet faster than the magnetic field of the metal can realign?...

Hmmm. I find that to be an interesting comment; worthy of a least some consideration.
Perhaps it's not possible at all, I don't know, but I sense a theoretical plausibility given that electron realignment is much slower than magnetic field propagation.
Just not sure about this. Interesting concept, though.
 
BigCheese said:
I'm assuming the metal to be Steel, not a non-magnetic material.

I'm not quite sure which part of my logic is faulty. If the electrons aren't realigned when in a magnetic field, why exactly then is steel attract to metal? If they are realigned, why doesn't it provide a small field of itself?

The material doesn't have to be steel, but your mechanism isn't one of the common magnetic levitation mechanisms. You're closest to levitation via Lenz' Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation
wikipedia.org said:
Induced currents

Main article: electrodynamic suspension

These schemes work due to repulsion due to Lenz's law. When a conductor is presented with a time-varying magnetic field electrical currents in the conductor are set up which create a magnetic field that causes a repulsive effect.
 

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