Representations of periodic functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the different representations of periodic functions, specifically through sine/cosine, exponential forms, and absolute/argument forms. Participants explore the relationships between these representations and seek clarification on conversion formulas and the nature of certain periodic functions.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there are three forms to represent periodic functions: by sine/cosine, by exponential, and by absolute/argument.
  • One participant provides a specific example of converting a linear combination of sine and cosine into a single cosine function with a phase shift, using formulas involving amplitudes and angles.
  • Another participant mentions periodic functions that do not have a fundamental period, providing examples of such functions.
  • There is a suggestion that a triangular relationship exists between the different forms of representation, although some participants express confusion about this concept.
  • One participant references the Euler relations as a means to convert between trigonometric and exponential forms.
  • Another participant notes the existence of distinct representations for Fourier series and questions the connections between these representations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of multiple forms for representing periodic functions, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the relationships between these forms or the nature of certain periodic functions. Confusion remains regarding the triangular relationship and the conversion formulas.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and connections between the different representations, indicating potential limitations in their understanding or the clarity of the relationships involved.

Jhenrique
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but exist 3 forms for represent periodic functions, by sin/cos, by exp and by abs/arg.

I know that given an expression like a cos(θ) + b sin(θ), I can to corvert it in A cos(θ - φ) or A sin(θ + ψ) through of the formulas:

A² = a² + b²

tan(φ) = b/a
sin(φ) = b/A
cos(φ) = a/A

tan(ψ) = a/b
sin(ψ) = a/A
cos(ψ) = b/A


The serie Fourier have other conversion, this time between exponential form and amplitude/phase
f(t)=\gamma_0+2\sum_{n=1}^{\infty } \gamma_n cos\left ( \frac{2 \pi n t}{T}+\varphi_n \right )
##\gamma_0 = c_0##
##\gamma_n = abs(c_n)##
##\varphi_n = arg(c_n)##

I think that exist a triangular relation. Correct? If yes, could give me the general formulas for convert an form in other?
 
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Jhenrique said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but exist 3 forms for represent periodic functions, by sin/cos, by exp and by abs/arg.

f(x) = 0 if x is rational, f(x) = 1 if x is irrational. This is a periodic function without a fundamental period.

g(x) = 2 if x is an integer, g(x) = 1 if x is non-integer rational, g(x) = 0 if x is irrational. This is a periodic function with fundamental period equal to 1.
 
I think that exist a triangular relation. Correct?
Don't know what that means.

If yes, could give me the general formulas for convert an form in other?
The three forms you talk about are related via a phasor diagram and the euler relations.

Also see:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=432185 #6.
... to understand how a function can be periodic with no fundamental period.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Don't know what that means.

See my book of math in annex... I have 3 distinct representations for Fourier series. But I think that my relations in my book aren't very well connected. For example: given a expression like a cos(θ) + b sin(θ) how convert it in expression like c exp(θ ± φ)?
 

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You can turn a trig expression to and from an exponential one using the Euler relations.
$$\exp i\theta = \cos\theta + i\sin\theta = x+iy$$

You can also get the relations between them by using one definition to expand the other one.
 

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