Residual tensile stresses due to high compressive loading

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of residual tensile stresses that arise in structural components subjected to high compressive loading, specifically in the context of shelling in rails. Participants explore the physical interpretation of these stresses and their implications in applied mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a patent discussing shelling in rails, noting that surface compression stresses can lead to residual tensile stresses at a certain depth, which may cause shelling cracks.
  • Another participant suggests starting with Hertz contact stress theory to understand the unexpected nature of stresses resulting from localized contact.
  • A request for elaboration on the physical interpretation of the phenomenon is made, indicating a desire for insight without extensive mathematical detail.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of providing a comprehensive explanation in a forum setting, citing the complexity of the topic and the need for background knowledge.
  • There is a clarification that the specific problem being discussed does not involve contact, which may affect the applicability of Hertz contact theory to the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to understand the residual tensile stresses in the absence of contact, and there are differing opinions on the relevance of the referenced paper and Hertz contact theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of certain theories to the problem at hand, and there are limitations in the background knowledge of some participants that may affect the discussion.

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I have been trying to understand the physical reason for this

I had been reading about shelling in rails: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2853775

Here you can see (as stated):
Shelling occurs near the upper gage corner of the rail and is the result of cold working of the rail steel by heavy Wheel loads, of the cars operating over the rails in track. At this corner the cold working results in surface compression stresses as high as 20,000

This surface compression stress result in a tension stress of 20,000 p. s. i. at a depth of approximately /8" below the surface, and it is this tensile stress which eventually causes shelling cracks in rails in track.


I'm not able to physically sense this. How do we get residual tensile stresses even if the structural component is in compression.

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You need to start with Hertz contact stress theory, a fairly complicated subject. The stresses resulting from localized contact are not what your intuition might lead you to expect.
 
Can you please elaborate this a bit. I shall be extremely grateful. See attached apper. I'm looking for a physical interpretation for this (as I pointed above). You may just read the abstract and not go into the whole paper.

May be I should not have said about "shelling", in the attached paper there is no contact actually
 

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I'm not interested in the paper at all, so will not get into it. I told you were to start. Do you know about Google?
 
kajalschopra said:
I'm looking for a physical interpretation

Sorry but that's an unreasonable request on a forum like this. It would require an encyclopedia length reply and we don't know your background to be sure you would understand.
 
It would require an encyclopedia length reply and we don't know your background to be sure you would understand.
I'm specializing in Applied Mechanics and a dedicated member of this forum. Some insight (without math) in order to have a physical intuition on why we get tensile stresses when the loading is compressive is what I was looking for.

I told you were to start
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You did. But I also said that there is no contact in the problem. I therefore referred you to that paper in order to justify the problem has no contacts and hence the Hertz contact might not be to research my answer

Do you know about Google

I do. But did not get an answer to this. I got the answer while goggling
 

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