Resistance between coaxial cylinders

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The discussion revolves around calculating the resistance between two coaxial cylinders with an inner radius 'a' and an outer radius 'b', separated by a material whose conductivity varies with position, specifically given by \(\sigma(r) = \frac{k}{r}\). Participants explore the implications of a non-zero charge density in the resistive medium and how it affects the electric field.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the charge density being non-zero and question the validity of certain equations related to the divergence of the electric field and current density. There are attempts to derive expressions for current and voltage, and some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations.

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There is an active exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants have proposed equations and approaches, while others express confusion and seek clarification on specific steps in the process. No consensus has been reached, and the discussion remains open-ended.

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Participants are working under the assumption of steady state conditions and are grappling with the implications of the varying conductivity and charge density on the electric field and current flow. There is a recognition that the divergence of the electric field is not zero, which complicates the analysis.

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Two coaxial cylinders, inner radius a and outer radius b are separated by a material of conductivity given by [itex]\sigma (r) = k/r[/itex] for some constant 'k'. Find the resistance between the cylinders.

Here the conductivity is a function of position and the charge density is not zero in the resistive medium, and the electric field [itex]\vec E[/itex] does not go as 1/r. So how is this problem solved?
 
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Reshma said:
Two coaxial cylinders, inner radius a and outer radius b are separated by a material of conductivity given by [itex]\sigma (r) = k/r[/itex] for some constant 'k'. Find the resistance between the cylinders.

Here the conductivity is a function of position and the charge density is not zero in the resistive medium, and the electric field [itex]\vec E[/itex] does not go as 1/r. So how is this problem solved?

Assuming steady state, div j=0 so j=j_0/r and E=j/\sigma=constant.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Assuming steady state, div j=0 so j=j_0/r and E=j/\sigma=constant.
The charge density is not zero here, so [itex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = {1\over \sigma}\vec \nabla \cdot \vec J = 0[/itex] will not hold good.
 
Reshma said:
The charge density is not zero here, so [itex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = {1\over \sigma}\vec \nabla \cdot \vec J = 0[/itex] will not hold good.

Div E is NOT zero. Div j is zero because rho is constant in time.
Your equation above should be
[itex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = \vec \nabla \cdot [\vec J/\sigma] ,[/itex]
but Div j does =0.
Do you want to argue or to do the problem?
 
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Meir Achuz said:
Div E is NOT zero. Div j is zero because rho is constant in time.
Your equation above should be
[itex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = \vec \nabla \cdot [\vec J/\sigma] ,[/itex]
but Div j does =0.
Do you want to argue or to do the problem?
Ok, here goes...
I need to evaluate the current and the voltage in order to find the resistance.
[tex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec E = \vec \nabla \cdot [\vec J/\sigma][/tex]

Integrating over a volume dV.
[tex]\int \vec \nabla \cdot \vec E dV= \int \vec \nabla \cdot [\vec J/\sigma] dV[/tex]

By Divergence theorem,

[tex]\int \vec E \cdot d\vec a = \int (\vec J /\sigma)\cdot d\vec a[/tex]

[tex]{Q_{enc}\over \epsilon_0} = \int (\vec J /\sigma)\cdot d\vec a[/tex]

I'm getting stuck here. I don't know how to proceed.

Anyway, I found the current.
But by Ohm's law, [itex]\vec J = \sigma \vec E[/itex]
Current I is given by;
[tex]I = \int \vec J \cdot d\vec a = \int {k\over r}\vec E \cdot d\vec a[/tex]

But, I need [itex]\vec E[/itex] to compute the voltage. How do I do that?
 
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Read my first post.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Assuming steady state, div j=0 so j=j_0/r and E=j/\sigma=constant.
[tex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec J = 0[/tex]
[tex]J = {J_0\over r}[/tex]
[tex]E = {J\over \sigma} = {J_0\over r} {r\over k} = {J_0\over k}[/tex]

[tex]I_{enc} = \int \vec J \cdot d\vec a = \int_a^b {J_0\over r} 2\pi r dr = J_0 2\pi (b-a)[/tex]

[tex]V_a - V_b = -\int_b^a \vec E \cdot d\vec r = {J_0\over k}(b-a)[/tex]

Resistance R will be:
[tex]R = \frac{V_a - V_b}{I} = \left({J_0\over k}(b-a)\right)\left({1\over (J_0 2\pi (b-a)}\right)[/tex]
[tex]R = {1\over 2\pi k}[/tex]

Thank you for your time!
 

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