What is the cause of a lightbulb blowing when switched on?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of lightbulbs blowing when switched on, particularly focusing on the electrical resistance of lightbulbs and how it changes with temperature. Participants explore the implications of these changes on current draw and potential overheating, as well as the accuracy of measurements taken with multimeters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the resistance of a 60W, 230V lightbulb and notes a discrepancy between the expected resistance and the measured value, suggesting that resistance increases significantly at operating temperature.
  • Another participant confirms the initial claim about resistance changes and provides a reference to the typical operating temperature of tungsten filaments, implying a resistance ratio that supports the initial observation.
  • A different participant challenges the accuracy of measuring a bulb's resistance with a multimeter, explaining that the filament's resistance increases with temperature and that measurements taken when cold will be much lower.
  • One participant shares their experience with a low-cost multimeter, asserting its effectiveness based on comparisons with more expensive models, while also discussing the implications of meter sensitivity and input impedance on measurement accuracy.
  • Another participant provides insights into the importance of meter sensitivity and input impedance when measuring voltage, particularly in relation to the resistance of the components being measured.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of resistance measurements and the implications of multimeter specifications. While some agree on the general behavior of filament resistance, there is no consensus on the reliability of the multimeter used or the conclusions drawn from the measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the temperature dependence of filament resistance and the potential inaccuracies in measurements due to multimeter specifications. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties or provide definitive conclusions.

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[SOLVED] resistance of a lightbulb?

hey dudes
so I've a lightbulb that says 60w 230v
so i figure it draws 60/230 amps
so i figure its resistance is 60w/((60/230)^2), which gives me 882 ohms

so i checked this light bulb with a multimeter and it reads 65 ohms!

so i figure that at its "operating temprature" the resistance increases to around 880 ohms? is this correct

also I've noticed that when a lightbulb blows its ususally just as you switch it on,
is this because it has lower resistance initially which allows it to draw more current and it ends up overheating and melting??

thanks for your help, (or should i go buy a new multimeter, this one only cost me €6!) (thats not 6 factorial, its just six):)
 
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phlegmy said:
hey dudes
so I've a lightbulb that says 60w 230v
so i figure it draws 60/230 amps
so i figure its resistance is 60w/((60/230)^2), which gives me 882 ohms

so i checked this light bulb with a multimeter and it reads 65 ohms!

so i figure that at its "operating temprature" the resistance increases to around 880 ohms? is this correct

also I've noticed that when a lightbulb blows its ususally just as you switch it on,
is this because it has lower resistance initially which allows it to draw more current and it ends up overheating and melting??

thanks for your help, (or should i go buy a new multimeter, this one only cost me €6!) (thats not 6 factorial, its just six):)
Exactly correct on both accounts! A common tungsten light bulb filament runs at 2800K, for a resistance ratio of about 15:1 according to
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/DeannaStewart.shtml
This is close to the ratio you observe.

I've never heard of such a cheap multimeter, must be used, yes? Figure its accuracy is inversely proportional to its price divided by the new price of a good one... :o)
 
Determining the resistance of a bulb with a meter is inaccurate. The filament has a positive temp. coefficient. This means its resistance rises with temperature. When cold you'll get a few ohms of resistance, but at operating temperature, expect it to rise dramatically. In case you're wondering the lamp at 60Hz can be considered a purely resistive load.

Thats a cheap meter! Get one with a high sensitivity.
 
thanks guys,

the meter is new, i bought it to use with my final year project (mechanical engineering) last year. its a "category II".#
i checked it against expensive ones in the electronics and control lab in college,
and for the comparisons i did it worked pretty well, i can't remember any figures but i tested it using about 5 or 6 resistors and, and it was measuring mV accractly aswell!

found one on the internet just now http://www.multimeterwarehouse.com/dt830bf.htm
for8 dollars. i bought mine in a hardware and tools shop, it was the only mm in the whole store (i think they must have ordered a batch of them about 5 years ago and were just waiting to be rid of em! it was in a type of bargain box which just had a big mix of stuff from spririt levels, allen keys, drill bits, and 1 multimeter!)
 
The DT830B is a pretty good meter. I use to use it quite extensively in the lab and still use it when I need to do measurements. You'll only need to worry about meter sensitivity when dealing with analog meters. Its important for your meter to have a high input impedance when measuring voltage so it doesn't introduce a loading effect into the circuit. Sensitivity comes into the play because the product of sensitivity and your full scale voltage setting gives you your meter's input impedance.

But you won't need to worry about sensitivity if you have a digital meter, since these meters have high input impedances in the order of mega ohms. Generally you'll run into trouble when measuring the voltage across a component that has a resistance that is equal to or greater than your meter's input impedance. A nice ratio (component resistance: meter resistance) would be like 1:10 or even higher! You will have to pay attention to this if you want reliable voltage readouts.
 

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