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Resistance of the ground problem

  1. Oct 14, 2014 #1
    Hi guys, so I've been given a physics question which is black magic to me, so I thought i will ask you for help :) Here is the question:
    A pile driver hammer of mass 170kg falls freely through a distance of 6m to strike a pile of mass 410kg and drives it 75mm into the ground. The hammer does not rebound when driving the pile. Determine the average resistance of the ground.

    This is what i have done so far:
    m1=170kg
    m2=410kg
    D1=6m
    D2=75mm
    PE= m x g x h
    PE= 170 x 9.81 x 6
    PE=10006.2J
    Velocity=2 x g x s
    (2) x (9.81) x (6-0)=117.72 square root=10.84 m/s
    KE= ½ x mass x velocity
    KE=1/2 x 170 x 10.84*
    KE=9987.97J

    Work= change in kinetic energy + change in potential energy + work due to friction
    ½ ( 170kg) ( 10.84*-0) + (150kg)(9.81m/s*) (6-0)
    =18816.97N without work due to friction

    Now I dont know how to work out: work due to friction and how to calculate the resistance of the ground. This is what I was able to do myself and now im stuck.
     
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  3. Oct 14, 2014 #2

    sophiecentaur

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    Hi and welcome to PF.
    If you read the rules at the top of the General Physics Forum (but who does??) you would see that this question should be in the appropriate Forum. I see you have made a start by writing out as much as possible. I suggest you have written down more than you need and it has overwhelmed you. You started off on the right lines.

    You can do all this, using Energy and Momentum considerations. 1.Speed of hammer on impact (easy). 2. Momentum is conserved so you can find the speed (then total KE) of the pair after the (instantaneous impact* of hammer on pile). Then Energy conservation says that this KE plus the gpe of the two above the final depth reached is the Work done (Force times distance). You know the distance so you can find the force.
    *They will travel together through the ground after that.
     
  4. Oct 16, 2014 #3
    I done it like this, can you tell me if the answer is right?
    Mass of the hammer(mh) x velocity*=mass of the hammer+mass of the pile (mp) v2*
    170x10.84=(170+410) v2
    1842.8=580 x v2
    V2=1842.8/580
    (the velocity of the hammer and the pile together)V2=3.17 m/s
    A= V*-U*/2s
    A= 3.17*-0*/2x0.075
    A=66.99 m/s
    GR= (m1+m2)(g)+(m1+m2)(a)
    GR=(170+410) x(9.81) + (170+ 410) x (66.99)
    5689.8+ 38854.2
    =44544N is the total amount of ground resistance
     
  5. Oct 17, 2014 #4
    "KE= ½ x mass x velocity"
    You are missing an exponent here.

    "Velocity=2 x g x s"
    What is "s" here? It must be the falling time. But you don't know the falling time without calculating it. Better try another approach.

    "(2) x (9.81) x (6-0)=117.72 square root=10.84 m/s"
    This is gibberish to me. Where did the square root come from?
     
  6. Oct 17, 2014 #5

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    Let's see. Your calculation for the hammer + mass velocity after the strike is correct, IMHO. I get almost the same result:
    v3 = (170 * 10,85)/(170 + 410) = 3,18 m/s

    And, concerning the negative acceleration A when sinking in the ground, you get 66,99 and I have got 67,41 m/s2, that is quite close. The equation that I used here is v2 = 2 * a * 0,075. Solving for a, I get a = 3,182/2*0,075 = 67,41 m/s2

    But I don't agree with the way you calculate the ground resistance. You should delete the first term of your sum GR=(170+410) x(9.81) + (170+410) x (66.99), With the second term only, you get a result (38854 N) that is close to the one I've got by other, less simple way, and that I believe correct (39076 N)
     
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