Resistance versus temperature in weak acids, strong acids, and water

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between resistance and temperature in solutions of strong acids (0.5 M HCl), weak acids (0.5 M vinegar), and water. Participants explore theoretical aspects of conductivity and resistance without focusing on specific calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment showing that resistance decreases with increasing temperature, suggesting a logarithmic trend for resistance and a linear trend for conductance (1/R).
  • Another participant references the Nernst Equation, noting the temperature term and its first-order nature, but acknowledges that the experiment does not involve electrochemical cells.
  • A participant challenges the initial assumption about the relationship between conductivity and temperature, citing a source that suggests conductivity is inversely proportional to temperature, contrasting with the experimental findings.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of the plotted data, with one participant asserting that their resistance versus temperature graph appears nonlinear, while conductance versus temperature is linear.
  • Questions are raised regarding the surface area of the electrodes used in the experiment, indicating potential factors influencing the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between conductivity and temperature, with some asserting it is proportional while others reference sources suggesting an inverse relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the experimental data.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of the Nernst Equation to the experiment and the interpretation of the plotted data. The discussion also highlights potential dependencies on experimental setup, such as electrode surface area.

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The question below is a rather theoretical one and does not concern any actual calculations. So I have decided to abandon the traditional format.

In the past few weeks, I have designed and carried out a lab in which I would test the resistance of a strong acid (0.5 M HCl), a weak acid (0.5 M vinegar) and water at varying temperatures (10 - 50 deg celsius to avoid error caused by evaporation). The same volume of solutions put into the same type of beaker (i.e. geometric proportions of the solutions are conserved) with resistance measured across the same two points in the solution every time were used as controls.

I had assumed that the resistances would go down as a function of temperature because:
1) The Keq/dissociation constant of the acid equilibriums increase, thus producing more H3O+ ions and conjugate base ions.
2) The increased temperature increases the kinetic energy of the solutions and the ions therein, thus increasing conductivity and decreasing resistance.
3) Water tends to auto-ionize more at greater temperatures (this relates to point 1 and is also shown to be true in the experiment as the trials show lower resistances versus higher temperatures)

The lab turned out to be a success and a general trend of high temperature / lower resistance was shown. At the onset, this trend looks to be a logarithmic one. However, when I plot conductance (1/R) versus temperature (celsius), the trend becomes linear. In other words, temperature is directly proportional to (1/R).

My question is: Why does this happen?

The lab data is contained in an attachment below.
 

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Review the Nernst Equation, eg... E = Eo - (RT/nF)lnQ
 
Interesting equation. However, the sample of acids I am testing are not really electrochemical cells in any way. They are just simple solutions of vinegar and HCl at 0.5 M.
 
Did you notice the temperature term in the equation? Notice how it's first order?
 
Yes.. but i was under the equation that the Nernst equation only applied to working chemical cells
 
Ok. But reading the contents of the link you've sent, I see that the final equation derived relates molar conductivity or conductivity to the equation:
http://tannerm.com/images/difcond12.gif
However, as you can see, the conductivity is proportional to T^-1 where my experiment seemed to indicate that conductivity is proportional to T
 
My bad. I thought you had plotted resistance vs temp. Take another look at your data. It isn't linear at all. It looks like a typical y = a(1/x) graph.
 
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I did plot resistance versus temperature. That was the graph that looked like the 1.x graph. Take a look at the third graph from the left. That is a conductance versus temperature graph and it seems to be linear.
 
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inutard said:
I did plot resistance versus temperature. That was the graph that looked like the 1.x graph. Take a look at the third graph from the left. That is a conductance versus temperature graph and it seems to be linear.

Are you asking if you plot conductance vs temperature you should get something nonlinear if you already know that the resistance vs temperature looks like it varies inversely with temperature?
 
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No i did plot conductance vs temperature. According to the site you linked, the conductivity should be inversely proportional. However, i found in my experiment that it was proportional to temperature.
 
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What is the surface area of the electrodes your using?
 
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Ah, there is nothing like to post in an abandoned, year and half old thread.

Locked.
 

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