Resource Request for Relativistic Mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the request for resources to learn about relativistic mechanics, specifically in the context of modeling gravitational effects. The focus is on understanding how to write and solve equations of motion influenced by gravity, with a particular interest in the relationship between relativistic mechanics and general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) expresses a desire to learn about relativistic mechanics to model gravitational effects, stating a willingness to learn advanced mathematics such as tensor calculus and differential geometry.
  • One participant points out that equations of motion in a gravitational context necessarily involve general relativity, as the choice of solution to the Einstein Field Equations depends on the matter and energy distribution being modeled.
  • Another participant questions whether the OP truly needs relativistic mechanics, asking about the maximum speed of interest.
  • There is a discussion regarding the effects of general relativity on Mercury's orbit, with one participant asserting that Mercury is significantly affected by general relativity despite its relatively low speed, while another challenges this by stating that the observable effects are minimal.
  • Participants clarify the nature of the general relativity effects on Mercury, with one noting that the extra perihelion precession is measurable but small.
  • One participant humorously misinterprets a comment about "Mercury," leading to a light-hearted exchange about elemental mercury.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of relativistic mechanics for the OP's goals, with some suggesting that general relativity is essential while others question the extent of its relevance. The discussion regarding the effects of general relativity on Mercury's orbit also reveals differing interpretations of what constitutes significant effects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of transitioning from Newtonian to relativistic models, particularly in gravitational contexts, and the need for clarity in terminology when discussing measurable effects.

Al-Layth
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I am aware of the Newtonian model of Gravitation and I am interested in Relativistic Mechanics.
I do not know anything about relativistic mechanics other than its more "accurate" at modelling gravitation and that it "reduces" to the classical formulation in some cases.

I only want to be able to use relativistic mechanics to be able to write and solve equations of motions under the influence of gravity, I am not very interested in the other parts of the theory itself.

Can someone recommend a resource so that I can learn to do this? thank you(my mathematical background is only up to vector calculus and PDEs. I am prepared to learn tensor calculus and differential geometry and anything else, though so don't constrain your recommendations out of concern for my lack of math knowledge as then I may not be able to do what I want, that is to use relativistic mechanics to mathematically model gravitation)
 
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Al-Layth said:
I only want to be able to use relativistic mechanics to be able to write and solve equations of motions under the influence of gravity, I am not very interested in the other parts of the theory itself.
Unfortunately, the equations of motion under the influence of gravity unavoidably involve "the other parts of the theory" in General Relativity, which is the relativistic theory of gravity. The reason is that in order to even have equations of motion, you have to know which solution of the Einstein Field Equation you are using, and that will depend on the distribution of matter and energy that you want to model.

Al-Layth said:
Can someone recommend a resource so that I can learn to do this?
I would start with an introductory textbook on General Relativity. Sean Carroll's online lecture notes are available for free:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/grnotes/
 
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Al-Layth said:
I only want to be able to use relativistic mechanics to be able to write and solve equations of motions under the influence of gravity, I am not very interested in the other parts of the theory itself.
Are you sure you need relativistic mechanics? What maximum speed are you interested in?
 
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anorlunda said:
Are you sure you need relativistic mechanics? What maximum speed are you interested in?
Mercury is heavily affected by effects due to general relativity despite having low speed
 
malawi_glenn said:
Mercury is heavily affected by effects due to general relativity
I'm not sure what you mean by "heavily affected". AFAIK the only GR correction to Newtonian behavior that is observable for Mercury is the extra perihelion precession, which is only 43 arc seconds per century. That's very small.
 
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PeterDonis said:
43 arc seconds per century
well I meant that it is measurable :)
 
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malawi_glenn said:
Mercury is heavily affected by effects due to general relativity despite having low speed
I read this half asleep and had a real space cadet moment. I thought you meant elemental Mercury.
 
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Mondayman said:
elemental Mercury
Which is pretty heavy. Ever hold a jar of it?

PeterDonis said:
extra perihelion precession
A lot of people don't know that the GR effect is only about 8% of the total perihelion advance.
 
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The OP seems to have left the room.
 
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malawi_glenn said:
I meant that it is measurable :)
Ok, but "measurable" is a much weaker claim than "heavily affected". Please be careful in choosing your words.
 

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