Resultant Velocities in 2D (Relativistic)

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The forum discussion focuses on calculating resultant velocities in two-dimensional relativistic scenarios using Lorentz transformations. The initial calculation of sqrt(2)v is confirmed as correct, while the attempt to derive a magnitude for the 3-velocity part of the 4-vector Vrel4 is questioned. The discussion emphasizes the importance of not using Pythagorean methods for relativistic velocities, as they can lead to incorrect conclusions, particularly as speeds approach the speed of light (c). The recommended approach involves transforming to the rest frame of one of the particles to simplify the calculation of relative velocities.

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Homework Statement


Here's the question:

http://i.imgur.com/zs130b3.png

Homework Equations


Just the usual Lorentz transform matrix etc.

The Attempt at a Solution



http://imgur.com/4Oipfu9
Now, the last line is clearly incorrect, since it tends towards infinite relative speed as v --> c. Of course the initial answer of sqrt(2)v for the first part is fine because that isn't relative speed (I am pretty sure I have this part right - let me know if not). I have a feeling I can't 'Pythagorise' the 3-velocity part of Vrel4 to get a magnitude, but this is a bit of a guess. Vrel4 still seems to obey the V.V = (+/-)c^2 inner product identity so that points towards it being the correct 4-vector, although I may be wrong about that.

Thanks for any help.

(check the imgur links, pictures didn't work)
 
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jeffbarrington said:

Homework Statement


Here's the question:

http://i.imgur.com/zs130b3.png

Homework Equations


Just the usual Lorentz transform matrix etc.

The Attempt at a Solution



http://imgur.com/4Oipfu9
Now, the last line is clearly incorrect, since it tends towards infinite relative speed as v --> c. Of course the initial answer of sqrt(2)v for the first part is fine because that isn't relative speed (I am pretty sure I have this part right - let me know if not). I have a feeling I can't 'Pythagorise' the 3-velocity part of Vrel4 to get a magnitude, but this is a bit of a guess. Vrel4 still seems to obey the V.V = (+/-)c^2 inner product identity so that points towards it being the correct 4-vector, although I may be wrong about that.

Thanks for any help.

(check the imgur links, pictures didn't work)

I don't know what you did, since you posted all your work in an image and I do not look at those---only at typed solutions. (Most other helpers won't look at it either.) Consult the PF Guidelines.

However, the way I would approach the problem if I were solving it would be to go into the rest-frame of ejected particle 1, and use Lorentz-transformation equations go get the (vector) velocity of ejected particle 2 in that new frame. From that, the relative speed is easy to get.
 
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