Retarding Force and Velocity of a Sliding Rock

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The problem involves a rock sliding on a horizontal surface with an initial velocity, experiencing a retarding force proportional to the square root of its instantaneous velocity. Participants are tasked with finding an expression for the velocity of the rock as a function of time, using variables such as mass, initial velocity, and a constant related to the retarding force.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law and the need for calculus to solve the problem. There are attempts to manipulate equations involving force and acceleration, with some participants expressing confusion about the presence of velocity on both sides of the derived equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on separating variables for integration. There is recognition of the need to express velocity solely in terms of time and constants, indicating a productive direction in the exploration of the problem.

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Participants note the challenge of deriving an expression for velocity that does not include velocity itself on the right-hand side of the equation. There is an emphasis on the necessity of integrating correctly to find a solution that meets the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement



A rock with mass m slides with initial velocity vo on a horizontal surface. A retarding force FR that the surface exerts on the rock is proportional to the square root of the instantaneous velocity of the rock FR=-kv1/2.
A) Find expression for the velocity of the rock as a function of time.
Express your answer in terms of the variables m, vo, k, and t.

Homework Equations



F=ma

v=vo +at

etc..

The Attempt at a Solution



vbasically included solving and substituting F=ma, FR=-kv1/2 and v=vo +at
in the end i got v=vo -kv1/2t/m

obviouslt this isn't right because i have v on both sides of the equation.. help
 
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v=vo +at doesn't work here, because you need a constant acceleration for that equation.

F=ma is a good start. You'll also need to use some calculus to solve this one.
 
ok, so:

-k[tex]\sqrt{}v[/tex]=m(dv/dt)
then integrate the first side from 0 to t and the left side from vo to v
and then solve for v, i got:
v=((-kt-2(v1/2)m)/2m)2
 
ok so i got the answer v=(4m2v0-4ktmv1/2+k2t2)/4m2
now, i have to find the integral (distance). for t, the rest are constants i guess
 
One problem with that expression is that it's supposed to be an expression for v in terms of t and the other variables, i.e. given t, m, k, and v0, you should be able to calculate v.

But you have v there on the right-hand-side, so it's not really an equation for v.

carlee172 said:
ok, so:

-k[tex]\sqrt{}v[/tex]=m(dv/dt)

Let's go back to this equation. I didn't really follow what you did after that, but I would separate the two variables, v and t, before integrating. I.e., put all the v's (including the dv term) on one side of the equation, and put dt on the other side. Then integrate.
 

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