Reverse engineering formulas for directing a plane wave

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between spherical and Cartesian coordinates in the context of plane wave propagation, specifically focusing on the definitions of propagation normal and electric field vector. Participants are exploring how these concepts relate to each other and the derivation of E-field formulas from the propagation normal.

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  • Participants are questioning the rationale behind using spherical to Cartesian transformations for representing propagation normals. They are also discussing the derivation of E-field formulas from the normal and the implications of the E-field's infinite directional possibilities.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the normal and the E-field, noting that the E-field must be perpendicular to the direction of propagation. There is an ongoing exploration of the logic behind selecting specific expressions for the E-field, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of wave propagation and field vector orientations, with an emphasis on the assumptions regarding the infinite options for the E-field direction and the necessity of making a choice in practical applications.

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Hello,There is a model which tunes a plane wave using certain expressions which resembles the spherical to cartesian coordinates.
There are two types of definitions:
propagation normal and electric field vector.
Why they put in propagation normal exactly the spherical to cartesian to represent propagation normal?
What is the link between propagation normal and E-field formulas?
Thanks.
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yefj said:
Why they put in propagation normal exactly the spherical to cartesian to represent propagation normal?
It looks like you have a spherical wave. The direction of propagation is radially out and a wavefront is a sphere of radius ##R##. This means that the direction of propagation at any point on the sphere is radially out, i.e. normal to the surface. A unit vector normal to the surface of a sphere is $$\mathbf{\hat n}=\sin\!\theta\cos\!\phi~\mathbf{\hat x} +\sin\!\theta\sin\!\phi~\mathbf{\hat y}+\cos\!\theta~\mathbf{\hat z}$$ which is the same as the radial unit vector ##\mathbf{\hat r}## along which the wave propagates.
 
how does E-field formulas were derived from the normal?
Thanks.
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yefj said:
how does E-field formulas were derived from the normal?
Thanks.
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The E-field vector is in the plane perpendicular to the normal. In that plane there is an infinity of directions that the E-field vector can have. Here you are given one of many. You can verify that this is a valid E-field by showing that ##~\mathbf E\cdot \mathbf{\hat n}=0.##

For a given normal you can get all the possible electric fields by varying angle ##\alpha## which rotates the electric field in the plane perpendicular to the normal. You can easily see how this works for specific choices of the angles.

For example, if I choose ##\theta=\dfrac{\pi}{2}## and ##\phi=0##, I get
(a)##~~\mathbf{\hat n}= \mathbf{\hat x}##,
(b)##~~\mathbf{\hat E}= \sin\!\alpha~\mathbf{\hat y}-\cos\!\alpha~\mathbf{\hat z}##
The above says that (a) the normal is along the ##x##-axis and (b) a unit vector in the direction of the electric field is in the ##yz##-plane and changes direction as ##\alpha## changes.
 
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Hello Kuruman, I understand that E-field can have endless options.
What is the logic for choosing the expression for e-field?
Thanks.
 
yefj said:
Hello Kuruman, I understand that E-field can have endless options.
What is the logic for choosing the expression for e-field?
Thanks.
If you understand that the E-field has infinitely many options and that it must be perpendicular to the direction of propagation, there is no logic for choosing a particular direction as opposed to another. Pick a direction and move on with your life. That's what the person that made the simulation that you posted most probably did understanding that it is necessary to make a choice before drawing the surface, the normal and the E-field.
 

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