Reversing polarity on a battery?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of reversing the polarity of a completely dead car battery when recharging it. Participants explore the chemistry and construction of different types of batteries, particularly lead-acid batteries, and whether polarity can be altered during the recharging process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of a claim that a dead battery can have its polarity reversed, suggesting that the internal chemistry determines polarity and would require changing materials.
  • Another participant speculates that a completely dead battery might hold a charge temporarily if charged with reversed polarity, expressing uncertainty about the feasibility of this scenario.
  • A participant shares a personal experience of creating a primitive rechargeable cell, indicating that polarity can depend on the connection during charging, which raises questions about commercial lead-acid batteries.
  • Some participants assert that in a fully discharged lead-acid battery, both plates are lead sulfate, implying that charging in reverse polarity could work, but may not be optimal due to potential performance issues.
  • There is mention of the differences in plate materials and shapes in commercial batteries, which could affect the outcome of charging in reverse polarity.
  • One participant acknowledges the need for further reading on the topic after receiving corrections about the nature of the plates in car batteries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether reversing polarity is possible in lead-acid batteries, with some supporting the idea that it can work under certain conditions while others maintain that it is not feasible without changing internal materials. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of battery chemistry and construction, noting that not all battery types may allow for polarity reversal. There are also references to potential performance limitations when charging in reverse polarity.

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A colleague of mine (who I trust is telling me the truth) just told me that he has seen a completely dead battery (a car battery) recharged so that the polarity was reversed from its original configuration.

I'm not well versed on the inner workings of a battery, but I thought the chemistry inside the cells determined the polarity...

Can someone explain this?
 
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You are right. Your friend is wrong. To change polarity of a traditional electrochemical voltaic battery cell, you would have to change the internal materials around. This is kind of pointless, as it is easier to just switch the orientation of the battery if you want to switch polarity.
 
A completely dead battery that has been dead for years... If you put the charger on it backwards, would it not hold the charge for a short time? Is it impossible?

I'm asking because I don't know. He insists he's seen it and he usually knows what he's talking about. I would be surprised if he was making it up.
 
I think he may be right. When I was a boy I made a primitive rechargeable cell simply by immersing two lead plates in sulphuric acid. I charged the cell by connecting across the plates a pd of more than 2 V from an external source. One of the plates acquired a brownish tinge from the lead dioxide deposited on it, and the cell did store a little energy.

Since the plates started out identical, which one became the positive depended solely on which way round I connected the charging pd. Now in a proper commercial lead-acid battery, the plates are different, though, I think both are lead-based. One is prefilled with lead dioxide, I believe. So the battery only stores a decent amount of energy if it's charged one way round, but I wouldn't be surprised if it stored a little when completely discharged and then charged the wrong way round.

[I wouldn't do experiments on a proper lead-acid battery: its internal resistance would be so low that accidental short-circuits could be disastrous.]
 
chrisbaird said:
You are right. Your friend is wrong. To change polarity of a traditional electrochemical voltaic battery cell, you would have to change the internal materials around. This is kind of pointless, as it is easier to just switch the orientation of the battery if you want to switch polarity.

His friend is correct. The plates of a discharged lead acid battery (like the car battery his friend referred to) are both lead sulfate, there is nothing to switch around. A fully discharged lead acid battery can indeed be charged in either polarity.

It won't necessarily work as well, however. When charged, one plate becomes spongy lead, while the other becomes lead oxide, with different reactions occurring on each as the cell charges and discharges. Some batteries may have the plates of each cell be differently shaped to accommodate the changes in volume or give one side more surface area, leading to reduced performance when charged backwards. They might also use different alloys or additives for the anode and cathode plates. And this is all for lead acid batteries, not all battery chemistries allow this.
 
I don't know that much about batteries, but what I have read shows that cjameshuff is correct. Once discharged, both plates in a cell of a lead acid battery are Lead Sulfate, PbSO4. Unless there is something very different between the plates, then reversing the polarity should work.
 
Thank you for the correction. I did not know that car batteries had identical plates when totally uncharged. It looks like I will have to read up on it more.

So I think the best summary is that batteries with different-material electrodes cannot be reversed in polarity upon recharging, but batteries with same-material electrodes can be.
 

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