Revolutionizing Aviation: Faster Takeoff and Landing Technology Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for faster takeoff and landing technologies in aviation, including the feasibility of systems similar to helicopters and the implications of flying at higher speeds during ascent and descent. Participants explore various aspects of aviation efficiency, safety, and technological limitations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose developing systems akin to helicopters for faster takeoff and landing, questioning the current limitations in technology.
  • Others argue that safety, costs, and nuisance abatement are significant considerations that may hinder the implementation of such technologies.
  • A participant mentions that efficiency is a primary concern, noting that aircraft are designed to cruise at specific speeds, and flying significantly faster or slower could impact performance.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of managing air traffic, with one participant highlighting that delays are often due to the number of flights rather than the speed of takeoff and landing.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of VTOL (Vertical Takeoff and Landing) systems in reducing overall flight times, suggesting that cruising speed remains a critical factor.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of increased g-forces on passengers, with references to medical contraindications for flying.
  • A participant suggests that drag becomes a significant issue at higher speeds, which could lead to increased fuel consumption.
  • There is mention of the Airbus A380 and the challenges associated with larger aircraft, including costs and airport capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints, with no clear consensus on the feasibility or desirability of faster takeoff and landing technologies. Disagreements arise regarding the implications of safety, efficiency, and the practicality of implementing new systems.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved discussions about the efficiency of different flight profiles, the impact of drag at higher speeds, and the complexities of air traffic management. The conversation also touches on medical considerations for passengers, which may vary based on individual health conditions.

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Future > Next Generation Air Transpiration System
 
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Jupiter5 said:
Future > Next Generation Air Transpiration System
That's the future of air traffic control, not the future of aviation. It's a very important thing to get done, but it has little or nothing to do with the design of planes.
 
  • #63
phinds said:
That's the future of air traffic control, not the future of aviation. It's a very important thing to get done, but it has little or nothing to do with the design of planes.

phinds,you are wrong :) you can not think about future of aviation including one part of it and excluding another one :)

How do you expect to detect clear-air-turbulence CAT ?
 
  • #64
Jupiter5 said:
phinds,you are wrong :) you can not think about future of aviation including one part of it and excluding another one :)

How do you expect to detect clear-air-turbulence CAT ?
Perhaps we are using different definitions of aviation. As I said, air traffic control is very important, but it is not the design and flying of airplanes, which is what I think of as aviation.
 
  • #65
phinds said:
Perhaps we are using different definitions of aviation. As I said, air traffic control is very important, but it is not the design and flying of airplanes, which is what I think of as aviation.

I just posted a question: How pilot will be able do detect CAT in the airplane during flight?

Are you familiar with CAT issues? Detecting CAT is an issue very well connected with topic of > internal design of an airplane.

What exactly is your concern about relation among design and flying of airplanes ? thank you :)
 
  • #66
Jupiter5 said:
I just posted a question: How pilot will be able do detect CAT in the airplane during flight?

Are you familiar with CAT issues? Detecting CAT is an issue very well connected with topic of > internal design of an airplane.

What exactly is your concern about relation among design and flying of airplanes ? thank you :)
I am responding to your original statement that the future of aviation is the proposed Next Generation Air Transpiration [sic] System. I have agreed repeatedly that that is a very important thing to do, I just think of that as air traffic control and aviation to me is more about the design of the airplanes and how they handle for the pilots.

Let's just agree to disagree.
 
  • #67
phinds said:
I am responding to your original statement that the future of aviation is the proposed Next Generation Air Transpiration [sic] System. I have agreed repeatedly that that is a very important thing to do, I just think of that as air traffic control and aviation to me is more about the design of the airplanes and how they handle for the pilots.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Are you asking also about importance of Human Factors in airplane design ?
 
  • #68
This thread is old enough to get some rest.
@Jupiter5: feel free to start a new thread, but please make clear what your point is, don't change it with every post.
 

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