Ricci tensor along a Killing vector

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The discussion centers on the properties of the Ricci tensor and its covariant derivative along a Killing vector, particularly in the context of general relativity and differential geometry. Participants explore whether the covariant derivative of the Ricci tensor is zero along a Killing vector and the implications of this for understanding geometry in relation to isometries.

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  • One participant questions whether the covariant derivative of the Ricci tensor is zero along a Killing vector, referencing Carrol's text and seeking clarification or counterexamples.
  • Another participant expresses an expectation that the Ricci tensor is covariantly constant along a Killing vector, linking this to the definition of the Ricci tensor in terms of the metric.
  • A third participant suggests that Lie derivatives are necessary to analyze the situation, providing a mathematical expression involving the Lie derivative of the Ricci tensor.
  • A later reply confirms that the Lie derivatives of curvature tensors with respect to Killing fields are always zero, but notes that the directional covariant derivative is not zero for non-scalar quantities.

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Participants express differing views on the covariant derivative of the Ricci tensor along a Killing vector. While some suggest it may be zero, others indicate uncertainty and the need for further mathematical justification.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of curvature tensors and their relationship to Killing vectors, which may not be universally accepted or proven within the context provided.

La Guinee
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In Carrol's text, he shows that the covariant derivative of the Ricci scalar is zero along a Killing vector. He then goes on to say something about how this intuitively justifies our notion of geometry not changing along a Killing vector. This same informal reasoning would seem to imply that the Ricci tensor (and Riemann tensor for that matter) is covariantly constant along a Killing vector. However, Carroll has no discussion of this, nor can I find it in any other source (which leads me to think it's probably not true). My question is:
Is the covariant derivative of the Ricci tensor zero along a Killing vector? If so, how does one show this? If not, is there a conceptual way of understanding this and/or what is a counterexample? Thanks.
 
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La Guinee said:
...the Ricci tensor (and Riemann tensor for that matter) is covariantly constant along a Killing vector.
I expect so, but I couldn't prove it myself. But, after all, the Killing vector generates an isometry of the manifold, and the Ricci tensor is defined entirely in terms of the metric. Good luck!

Dave
 
You need to use Lie derivatives for it to work out. For example,

<br /> 0 = \mathcal{L}_\xi R_{ab} = \xi^c \nabla_c R_{ab} + 2 R_{c(a} \nabla_{b)} \xi^c<br />

The same thing works for the Riemann or Weyl tensors.
 
Stingray said:
You need to use Lie derivatives for it to work out. For example,

<br /> 0 = \mathcal{L}_\xi R_{ab} = \xi^c \nabla_c R_{ab} + 2 R_{c(a} \nabla_{b)} \xi^c<br />

The same thing works for the Riemann or Weyl tensors.

So it is zero then?
 
Yes, Lie derivatives of curvature tensors with respect to Killing fields are always zero. The directional covariant derivative is not zero unless you're talking about a scalar quantity (like the Ricci scalar).
 

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