Directional Derivative of Ricci Scalar: Lev-Civita Connection?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for the directional derivative of the Ricci scalar along a Killing Vector Field to equal zero. Participants explore the implications of using the Levi-Civita connection versus other types of connections in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the Levi-Civita connection for the condition \( K^\alpha \nabla_\alpha R=0 \) and suggests that the Lie derivative may be more fundamental.
  • Another participant states that the condition \( \nabla_a g_{bc}=0 \) is required, implying that the Lie derivative being zero preserves the metric along integral curves.
  • A participant acknowledges the lack of need for a connection in the Lie derivative context but expresses uncertainty about the necessity of the Levi-Civita connection when using Bianchi identities, which require a torsion-free connection.
  • One participant asserts that \( \nabla_c g_{ab}=0 \) implies the Levi-Civita connection but questions whether this directly answers the original inquiry.
  • Another participant argues that metric compatibility is a weaker condition and suggests that various Riemannian connections could exist without being the Levi-Civita connection, yet questions whether this guarantees that the derivative along the Killing vector of the curvature scalar is zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the Levi-Civita connection and the implications of metric compatibility, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the connections being discussed and the implications of metric compatibility on the directional derivative of the Ricci scalar.

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I have a question about the directional derivative of the Ricci scalar along a Killing Vector Field. What conditions are necessary on the connection such that K^\alpha \nabla_\alpha R=0. Is the Levi-Civita connection necessary?
I'm not sure about it but I believe since the Lie derivative is more 'fundamental' than the covariant derivative it might be not necessary to have a Levi-Civita connection, but maybe I'm just conjecturing nonsense. Hope anyone can help me find an answer.
 
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I think you need ##\nabla_a g_{bc}=0##. If the Lie derivative of a field is zero then ##g_{ab}## is preserved on the integral curves. You do not need a connection for the Lie derivative.
 
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Hey Mentz114, thank for replying! Since you don't need a connection for the Lie derivative, and Killing Vector Fields depend upon the Lie derivative I suspect you don't need the Levi-Civita Connection, However for the derivation of such identity I used the Bianchi identities which rely on a torsion free connection. So I don't know wether you acually don't need it.
 
##\nabla_c g_{ab}=0## implies the LC connection.

I'm not sure if I'm answering your question ...
 
I think metric compatibility is a weaker condition, i.e. you can have various Riemannian connections without any being the LC. But that still does not guarantee that the derivative along the Killing of the curvature scalar is 0, or does it?
 

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