Riemann curvature scalar, Ricci Scalar.What does they measure ?

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The discussion revolves around the Riemann curvature scalar and the Ricci tensor, exploring their definitions, interpretations, and implications in the context of Riemannian geometry. Participants seek to understand what these mathematical entities measure and how they relate to the geometry of curved spaces.

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  • One participant asks for an explanation of what the Riemann curvature scalar and the Ricci tensor measure, expressing a desire to understand their significance.
  • Another participant provides a technical interpretation of the Ricci tensor, explaining that it can be seen as the sum of sectional curvatures of planes spanned by a unit vector in the tangent space.
  • The same participant states that the Ricci scalar measures the sum of all sectional curvatures of planes spanned by distinct pairs of elements in an orthonormal basis.
  • A different participant references a Wikipedia definition, suggesting that the scalar curvature indicates how the volume of a geodesic ball in a curved manifold deviates from that of a standard ball in Euclidean space.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical relationship showing that if the volumes of geodesic balls agree, then the Riemann curvature scalar equals zero to a certain order.

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Participants express various interpretations and definitions of the Riemann curvature scalar and Ricci tensor, indicating that multiple views exist without a clear consensus on their implications or measurements.

Contextual Notes

Some interpretations rely on specific mathematical conditions, such as the behavior of volumes of geodesic balls, which may not be universally applicable without further assumptions about the manifold.

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hello
Can you perhaps explain what does the Riemann curvature scalar R measure? or is just an abstract entity ?
What does the Ricci tensor measure ?
I just want to grasp this and understand what they do.
cheers,

typo: What DO they measure in the title.
 
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Let ##M## be a Riemannian manifold and let ##p \in M##. Given any unit vector ##X\in T_p M##, pick an orthonormal basis ##\{E_{i}\}## for ##T_p M## such that ##E_1 = X##. It can be shown that ##\text{Ricci}(X,X) = \sum _{k = 2}^{n}K(E_1,E_k)## where ##K(E_1,E_i)## is the sectional curvature of the plane spanned by ##E_1 = X## and ##E_i##. So the Ricci tensor can be interpreted as the sum of sectional curvatures of planes spanned by a unit vector ##X## in the tangent space and other elements of an orthonormal basis to which ##X## belongs.

Then, ##R = R_{j}{}{}^{j} = \sum_{j \neq k} (E_j,E_k)## i.e. the Ricci scalar measures the sum of all sectional curvatures of planes spanned by distinct pairs of elements in a given orthonormal basis.

There are many other ways to interpret it as well. See for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_curvature

Also see problem 9 of chapter 4 in Do Carmo "Riemannian Geometry" for an absolutely beautiful relationship between the Ricci scalar and the Ricci tensor in terms of the area of a sphere in the tangent space and the integral of the Ricci tensor over that sphere.
 
zn5252 said:
hello
Can you perhaps explain what does the Riemann curvature scalar R measure? or is just an abstract entity ?
What does the Ricci tensor measure ?

There are pretty decent intuitive definitions at math.ucr.edu/home/baez/gr/
 
Thanks to all.
In wikipedia it is mentioned :
"Specifically, the scalar curvature represents the amount by which the volume of a geodesic ball in a curved Riemannian manifold deviates from that of the standard ball in Euclidean space"

Does this mean that the volume of the sphere in the curved space which is 4/3Pi*r*r*r , which is also the same in eucledian space yields a null value for the Scalar curvature ?
 
Let ##\epsilon > 0## be sufficiently small so that for ##p \in M##, ##B_{\epsilon}(p)\subset M## is a geodesic ball under the exponential map. It can be shown then that ##\frac{\text{Vol}(B_{\epsilon}(p))}{\text{Vol}(B_{\epsilon}(0)\subset \mathbb{R}^{n})} = 1 - \frac{R}{6(n + 2)}\epsilon^{2}+ O(\epsilon^{4})##. If the two volumes agree then ##R = 0## to fourth order in ##\epsilon##.
 

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