Riemann integrability of functions with countably infinitely many dis-

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The discussion revolves around the Riemann integrability of functions that exhibit countably infinite discontinuities. Participants are examining a proof related to the convergence of upper and lower sums in the context of Riemann integration, with a focus on the boundedness of certain functions and the implications of this property for the proof's validity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof showing that there exists a partition such that the upper and lower sums converge, introducing a sequence of functions defined in relation to a point of discontinuity.
  • Another participant questions the claim that the function can be bounded, providing a counterexample where the absolute difference exceeds the supremum, while still affirming the boundedness of the functions involved.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on the proof and notes a potential informality in the language used to define a supremum, while also suggesting that the proof may need to address the boundedness of the functions more explicitly.
  • There is a mention of extending the theorem to functions that take non-negative values, proposing a modification to the definition of supremum in this broader context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the boundedness of the functions and the completeness of the proof. There is no consensus on the necessity of certain conditions or the implications of boundedness for the proof's validity.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of the functions and their discontinuities remain unexamined. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in the proof regarding the role of boundedness and the definitions used.

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Define ##f:[a,b]\longrightarrow \mathbb{R}##. Assume that ##f## is non-negative and bounded. Suppose there exists a point ##y_0\in [a,b]## at which ##f## fails to be continuous and suppose also that there exists a sequence of points ##a_n\in[a,b]## that converge to ##y_0##, where ##f## fails to be continuous at each ##a_n##. Then ##f## is integrable.

Assume any function ##f## with only finitely many discontinuities is integrable.
We show that there is a partition s.t. the upper sum and the lower sum of ##f## w.r.t. this partition converge onto one another.

Let ##\epsilon>0##.

Define a sequence of functions ##g_n:[a,b]\setminus(\{a_n\}_{n\in\mathbb{N}}\cup\{y_0\})## s.t. ##g_n(x)=|f(x)-f(a_n)|##. Suppose there is a ##g_m## that is not bounded. Then there must exist a point ##x'## s.t. ##|f(x')-f(a_m)|>\sup f[a,b]##. This is a contradiction. Hence, each ##g_n## is bounded, and moreover, ##G:=\{g_n(x):x\in\textrm{dom}(g_n)\}_{n\in\mathbb{N}}## is bounded.

Set ##\alpha=\sup G## and set ##\delta=\frac{1}{4}\cdot\frac{\epsilon}{\alpha}##. Now define points ##t_1,t_2## to be the endpoints of ##B(y_0,\delta)##. Set ##M=\sup f(B(y_0,\delta))## and ##m=\inf f(B(y_0,\delta))##; set ##\Delta t=t_2-t_1## also. Then the following must hold:

\begin{eqnarray}
M\Delta t - m\Delta t &=&(M-m)\Delta t \\
&\leq&\alpha\Delta t \\
&=&2\delta\alpha\\
&=&2\left(\frac{1}{4}\cdot\frac{\epsilon}{\alpha}\right)\cdot\alpha \\
&=&\frac{\epsilon}{2}
\end{eqnarray}

Choose a partition ##P:=\{x_0,\ldots,x_n\}## for ##[a,b]\setminus B(y_0,\delta)## s.t. ##U(P,f)-L(P,f)<\frac{\epsilon}{2}##. Now refine the partition with the points ##t_i## as described above in order to yield the result.
 
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##|f(x)-f(a_m)|## can certainly be larger than the supremum of ##f##, for example on ##[-1,1]## the function ##f(x)=x## has supremum ##1##, but ##|f(-1)-f(1)| =2##. That said your claim that the function is bounded is still true, you just need to think a little more about why.

I also don't see where in the rest of your proof you use the fact that the ##g_m##s are bounded, is there a piece missing?
 
mathman said:
Do you have a question?
I'm sorry for not clarifying in the original post. I was asking for feedback on my proof. And if possible, I want to ask if the fourth paragraph where I define an alias for the supremum of ##G## sounds too informal.

Office_Shredder said:
the function has supremum , but .
This proof is for functions that takes on non-negative values. But if I choose to extend the family of functions to which this theorem might apply, I would replace ##\sup f## with ##|\sup f - \inf f|##.

Office_Shredder said:
is there a piece missing?
It's essential to proving that ##\alpha## as declared in the fourth paragraph exists.
 

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