Riemann lebesgue lemma. wikipedia. 2010-06-26

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The discussion revolves around the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma, specifically examining the proof presented on Wikipedia. Participants are questioning the clarity and validity of the proof, particularly regarding the application of the dominated convergence theorem and the justification of steps in the proof.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the Wikipedia proof, suggesting it appears nonsensical and questions how the dominated convergence theorem is applied.
  • Another participant asks if the function f(x)e^{itx} is dominated by f(x), seeking clarification on the relationship between these functions.
  • A participant notes that any integrable function can be approximated by a step function, which may relate to the use of the dominated convergence theorem.
  • One participant shares their experience of understanding a proof from a book but struggles with the Wikipedia version, highlighting a lack of sources and justification for certain steps.
  • The same participant proposes a method for proving the lemma that involves finding a step function that approximates an integrable function, suggesting that the dominated convergence theorem may not be necessary for their proposed proof direction.

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Participants generally express disagreement regarding the clarity and validity of the Wikipedia proof. There is no consensus on the application of the dominated convergence theorem or the justification of the proof steps.

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Participants note limitations in the proof's justification, particularly regarding the transition from step functions to integrable functions and the use of the dominated convergence theorem. There are unresolved questions about the adequacy of the proof's steps.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann-Lebesgue_lemma

Have I made a mistake when it looks to me that the Wikipedia proof on Riemann-Lebesgue lemma looks like nonsense?

Step 1. An elementary calculation shows that
[tex] \int\limits_I e^{itx} dx \to 0\quad\textrm{as}\quad t\to \pm\infty[/tex]
for every interval [itex]I\subset [a,b][/itex]. The proposition is therefore true for all step functions with support in [itex][a,b][/itex].

Step 2. By the dominated convergence theorem, the proposition is true for all positive functions, integrable on [itex][a,b][/itex].

How are you supposed to use dominated convergence theorem there?
 
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f(x) eitx is dominated by f(x)?
 
jostpuur said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann-Lebesgue_lemma

Have I made a mistake when it looks to me that the Wikipedia proof on Riemann-Lebesgue lemma looks like nonsense?



How are you supposed to use dominated convergence theorem there?

I haven't analyzed it in detail, but I think it means that any integrable function can be shown to be dominated by a step function (over a finite interval).
 
Could you tell us why you think it looks like "non-sense"?
 
I have read one proof for this theorem from a book, and I understood it. Now I see another proof in Wikipedia, I'm unable to understand it, and the author of this piece of wiki-info has not given any sources. That's the origin of my doubts.

If you first prove the result for step functions, and them mention the use of dominated convergence theorem, it looks like that you want to approximate some integrable function with step functions and move a limit from inside the integral to the outside. Like this:

[tex] \lim_{t\to\infty} \int e^{itx} f(x) dx = \lim_{t\to\infty}\lim_{n\to\infty} \int e^{itx} f_n(x)dx[/tex]

But what is this good for? It looks like an example of a case where the author justifies some simple step and then completely omits the justification for more difficult step.

If [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex] and an integrable function [itex]f[/itex] are given, it would make lot more sense to find a step function [itex]f_n[/itex] such that [itex]\|f -f_n\|_1 < \frac{\epsilon}{2}[/itex], and then choose [itex]T>0[/itex] such that

[tex] \big| \int e^{itx} f(x)dx\big| \leq \int |f(x) - f_n(x)| dx \;+\; \big|\int e^{itx} f_n(x) dx\big| < \epsilon[/tex]

for all [itex]t > T[/itex]. But you don't need dominated convergence for this direction of proof.
 

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