How Do You Calculate the D'Alembert Operator in a Given Metric for GR?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the d'Alembert operator in a specific metric within the context of General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the application of tensor notation and operations, specifically focusing on the definition and computation of the d'Alembertian operator acting on a function of two variables.

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  • One participant presents a metric and attempts to reproduce the d'Alembert operator's action on a function, expressing confusion over the results obtained.
  • Another participant asserts that the d'Alembertian should be defined as ##\Box = \nabla^a \nabla_a## rather than ##\Box = g^{\alpha\beta} \partial_\alpha \partial_\beta##, providing a mathematical expression for clarification.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the correction and expresses intent to try the new definition.
  • Further discussion reveals that the participant still simplifies the operator to ##g^{ab}\partial_a \partial_b## due to the absence of non-zero Christoffel symbols for certain variables.
  • Another participant questions the existence of specific Christoffel symbols, prompting a clarification about the relevant symbols and their implications for the derivatives involved.
  • One participant realizes that the terms involving Christoffel symbols lead to additional derivatives with respect to the variables, which were initially overlooked.
  • Finally, a participant confirms that their calculations align with the expected results after considering the contributions from the Christoffel symbols.

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There is a mix of agreement and disagreement throughout the discussion. While some participants agree on the need to consider Christoffel symbols in the calculation, there is initial contention regarding the correct definition of the d'Alembert operator. The discussion evolves as participants refine their understanding and calculations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of tensor notation and the implications of various definitions and symbols. The discussion highlights the dependence on specific metric properties and the role of Christoffel symbols in the calculations, which are not fully resolved in the initial exchanges.

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Was not sure weather to post, this here or in differential geometry, but is related to a GR course, so...

I am having some trouble reproducing a result, I think it is mainly down to being very new to tensor notation and operations.

But, given the metric ##ds^2 = -dudv + \frac{(v-u)^2}{4} \left( d\theta^2 + \sin^2 \theta d\phi^2 \right)##

<br /> g_{\alpha\beta} =<br /> <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; -\frac{1}{2} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> -\frac{1}{2} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; \frac{(v-u)^2}{4} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; \frac{(v-u)^2}{4} \sin^2 \theta<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

and given this definition of the d'Alambert operator ##\Box := g^{\alpha\beta}\partial_{\alpha}\partial_{\beta}## , reproduce the following given the d'Alambert acting on a function ##f(u,v)##

<br /> <br /> \Box f(u,v) = 4 \left( -\frac{1}{v-u} \frac{\partial f}{\partial u} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial v} - \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u \partial v} \right)<br />

And when I try to to reproduce it, I can see from the definition that the only non-zero parts are where the inverse metric components are ##g^{uv} = -2## and ##g^{vu} = -2 ## . The ##g^{\theta \theta} ## and ##g^{\phi \phi}## bits would be zero since the function is just of ##u## and ##v##.

So what I get is this...
<br /> \Box := g^{\alpha\beta}\partial_{\alpha}\partial_{\beta}\\<br /> \Box f(u,v) = g^{uv}\partial_{u}\partial_{v} f+ g^{vu}\partial_{v}\partial_{u}f = -4 \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u \partial v}<br />

And I can't seem to see what I am missing here? Any help is really appreciated. Thanks.
 
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The d'Alembertian is not ##\Box = g^{\alpha\beta} \partial_\alpha \partial_\beta##, it is ##\Box = \nabla^a \nabla_a##, which for scalar fields reduces to
$$
\Box f = g^{ab} \nabla_b \nabla_a = g^{ab} \nabla_b \partial_a f = g^{ab}(\partial_b\partial_a f - \Gamma_{ba}^c \partial_c f).
$$
 
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Orodruin said:
The d'Alembertian is not ##\Box = g^{\alpha\beta} \partial_\alpha \partial_\beta##, it is ##\Box = \nabla^a \nabla_a##, which for scalar fields reduces to
$$
\Box f = g^{ab} \nabla_b \nabla_a = g^{ab} \nabla_b \partial_a f = g^{ab}(\partial_b\partial_a f - \Gamma_{ba}^c \partial_c f).
$$
Oh. Ok.. thanks will give that a go!
 
ChrisJ said:
Oh. Ok.. thanks will give that a go!

Previous to trying this I found all of the christoffel symbols for the metric define in the OP, so now trying with this new definition, it still simplifies to ##g^{ab}\partial_a \partial_b ## because ##a## and ##b## can only take on ##u## or ##v## since there are not partials wrt to the others, and there are no non-zero Christoffel symbols for ##\Gamma^c_{uv}## , so I must still be missing something
 
Do you have any Christoffel symbols of the form ##\Gamma^u_{ab}##?
 
Orodruin said:
Do you have any Christoffel symbols of the form ##\Gamma^u_{ab}##?

Yes, but only for ##\Gamma^u_{\theta\theta}## and ##\Gamma^u_{\phi\phi} ## (and the same, but with with ##v## as ##c##). But that would lead to partials wrt to ##\theta## and ##\phi##, which don't appear in what I am trying to reproduce.
 
ChrisJ said:
But that would lead to partials wrt to ##theta## and ##\phi##
No, this is wrong.

Edit: To be more specific, for example ##\Gamma^u_{\theta\theta}## leads to the term
$$
-\Gamma^{u}_{\theta\theta} g^{\theta\theta} \partial_u f,
$$
which includes a derivative wrt ##u##.
 
Orodruin said:
No, this is wrong.

Sorry! Yes, I just saw it, the ##\partial_c## bit,
Orodruin said:
No, this is wrong.

Edit: To be more specific, for example ##\Gamma^u_{\theta\theta}## leads to the term
$$
-\Gamma^{u}_{\theta\theta} g^{\theta\theta} \partial_u f,
$$
which includes a derivative wrt ##u##.

Thank you! I just saw it, ok, so the terms with ##\Gamma^u_{\theta\theta}## and ##\Gamma^u_{\phi\phi}## lead to ##\frac{-4}{v-u}\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}## (and the same for the ones with ##\Gamma^v_{\theta\theta}## and ##\Gamma^v_{\phi\phi}## lead to ##\frac{4}{v-u}\frac{\partial f}{\partial u}##. And then the one that I already found in the OP with the zero christoffel symbol, leads to ##-4\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u \partial v}##
 
So everything works out now?
 
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Orodruin said:
So everything works out now?

Yes, thank you!
 

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