Rigid body kinetic energy+ constraints (upper level classical mechanics)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy of a homogeneous cylinder rolling inside a larger cylindrical surface, focusing on the constraints of rolling without slipping. The problem is situated within the context of upper-level classical mechanics.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the angular velocities of the center of mass and the rolling cylinder, considering the implications of the no-slip condition. There are attempts to express the velocities and angular velocities mathematically, with some participants questioning the definitions and assumptions related to the motion of the cylinders.

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Several participants have offered insights into the relationships between the angular velocities and the constraints of the problem. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these relationships, with some participants expressing confusion about specific details and seeking clarification on the setup and definitions involved.

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Participants note the importance of the no-slip condition and the potential complexities introduced by the motion of the cylinders. There are references to initial conditions and the need for a clear understanding of the angular velocities involved, as well as the potential for misunderstanding due to language barriers.

  • #31
darkxponent said:
okay

NOW let's visualise:

fisrt i forgot 'Wc' . Just forget that it exists in the question.

i only know Wcm and Vcm:

NOW according to pure rolling Vcm = Wcm * a;

now the only twist is that this cyllinder is rolling not on a plane but in cyllindrical surface

We Find time period(Tc) of the cyllinder = 2*pi*(R-a)/Vcm

THIS GIVES Wc as::

Wc = 2*pi/Tc

= Vcm/(R-a)

=Wcm *a/(R-a)
I understand everything if I assume that Vcm = Wcm * a. Could you explain a bit more how do you get it?
You considered a cylinder of radius a rolling over a plane (with rolling and not slipping?)? In those case I don't understand the meaning of \omega _{CM}. I mean the cylinder rotates around an axis that passes through the center of mass over a plane. Since the center of mass does not rotate, omega of center of mass is worth 0... What am I misunderstanding?
 
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  • #32
i took Wcm is not the angular velocity of centre of mass. It is angular velocity of the cyllinder about its centre of mass and similarly Wc is the angular velocity if the cyllinder about the centre of the cyllindrical surface
 

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