Rigid Body Velocity: Reason & Reciprocity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of velocity in rigid bodies, exploring the reasons behind their velocities and the reciprocal relationship between force and movement. Participants examine the implications of forces on velocity, the nature of velocity as a relative measure, and the role of coordinate systems in defining velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that velocity is a consequence of the arbitrary choice of coordinate system, suggesting there is no physical reason for its value.
  • Others argue that velocity is closely related to movement and that higher forces typically lead to higher velocities, although this is contested.
  • A participant points out that the relationship between force and velocity is not straightforward, citing examples like braking in automobiles where increased force results in decreased velocity.
  • There is a discussion on the role of acceleration, with some stating that force is the reason for acceleration rather than velocity itself.
  • One participant mentions that in a frictionless environment, velocity persists after a force is applied, indicating that velocity can exist independently of ongoing forces.
  • Another participant highlights that while forces can account for changes in velocity, they do not explain initial velocities, which depend on the chosen coordinate system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between force and velocity, with no consensus reached on whether velocity has an inherent reason or is purely a relative measure dependent on coordinate systems.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific assumptions about the nature of forces and motion, and the discussion includes unresolved nuances regarding the definitions of velocity and its dependence on external factors.

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hello,

I have a question, what is the reason for the velocity of a rigid body?

I know the force is the reason for movement status changing of a rigid body. And also this can be said, the forces and the movements are reciprocal to each other.

now, what is the reciprocal part of the velocity of a rigid body?

thank you
 
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Hi ldeshusheng, welcome to PF!

There is no physical reason for velocity. It is purely a consequence of the arbitrary choice of your coordinate system.
 
thank you.
 
ldshusheng said:
hello,

I have a question, what is the reason for the velocity of a rigid body?

I know the force is the reason for movement status changing of a rigid body. And also this can be said, the forces and the movements are reciprocal to each other.

now, what is the reciprocal part of the velocity of a rigid body?

thank you

Do you mean why some objects get higher velocity than others? Velocities are closely related Movements.

I think movements depend on space through which objects move. The more we learn about empty space, the more we'll understand how/why objects move. Until then I take it as a law of nature. The higher the force, the higher the velocity, the higher the acceleration.
 
Neandethal00 said:
The higher the force, the higher the velocity
This is not true in general. For example, consider an automobile's brakes. In that case, the higher the force the lower the velocity wrt the ground.
 
Neandethal00 said:
Do you mean why some objects get higher velocity than others? Velocities are closely related Movements.

I think movements depend on space through which objects move. The more we learn about empty space, the more we'll understand how/why objects move. Until then I take it as a law of nature. The higher the force, the higher the velocity, the higher the acceleration.

The force is the reason for the acceleration based on Newton's second lawm, not the velocity.
 
Assume there is a revolute joint, a torque (just caused by a couple, not by a force) can make it rotate around the axis.

why there are two parasitic velocities along x-axis and y-axis?
 
velocity describes the state of movement of an object, i think there's no actual reason why something moves at the speed they do. its change can be described by acceleration which is linearly related to F so yeah, you can argue that force is the reason for the change of velocity but you don't have to bond velocity with something else since it's in fact a relative thing that may vary from one observer to another, while F doesn't.
 
ldshusheng said:
The force is the reason for the acceleration based on Newton's second lawm, not the velocity.

Come on guys, keep it simple.
You apply a force on an object at rest, it moves, meaning object changes its velocity from zero to a non-zero value. Change in velocity is acceleration. This is why acceleration comes in Newton's law.
 
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And in a frictionless environment after a force is applied and then removed you have velocity. "a body in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force." ... "an object at rest tends to remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force."
So you have velocity because at some point a force acted upon an object and accelerated it for a finite time. (or continues to act on the body to overcome external forces working to slow it down)

Paul
 
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PaulS1950 said:
So you have velocity because at some point a force acted upon an object and accelerated it for a finite time.
A complete history of all the forces acting on an object can account for the objects change in velocity from it's initial velocity, but it cannot explain the initial velocity. That depends entirely on the choice of coordinate system.
 

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