Rigorous Exam in Physics and Mathematics.

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The discussion revolves around the search for rigorous international examinations in Physics and Mathematics for a participant currently pursuing graduation in India. The participant expresses interest in exams that are recognized globally and seeks alternatives to the IMO and IPhO due to missed registration deadlines.

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Main Points Raised

  • The participant is interested in rigorous exams for transfer applications to top colleges like MIT, Caltech, Imperial, or ETH, and has completed A-Levels with excellent grades.
  • Some participants suggest alternative exams such as STEP for Mathematics and PAT for Physics.
  • There is a discussion about the eligibility for IMO and IPhO, with one participant stating that these cannot be taken privately without official selection.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the perceived value of A*A*A in A-Levels, with some arguing that it may not be impressive compared to other applicants.
  • Questions arise about the funding policies for transfer students at Caltech, with conflicting information shared about whether funding is available.
  • Some participants challenge the assumptions made about A-Level performance and the requirements for applying to prestigious universities.
  • There is mention of the Putnam exam, with clarifications regarding eligibility for international students and the requirement of being enrolled in an American or Canadian university.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the value of A-Level grades, the eligibility for various exams, and the funding policies for transfer students. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the clarity of eligibility criteria for various exams and the differing perceptions of academic qualifications. Some statements reflect personal opinions rather than established facts.

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I am very much interested in Physics and Mathematics.
I want some rigorous hard or tough competitions exam.
I live in India so I want international exams and can be recognize everywhere in the world.
The Exam should be International and I am doing by graduation currently.
I want to participate in IMO and IPO but I miss the deadline for registering. Now I am 18 yrs old so I want to know how to take exams without college or school.
Can IMO and IPO can be taken private, if so they what should I do.
If cannot then suggest some others exam.
 
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Do you need some kind of qualification to get into university/college?

You could look into A-Levels. I've done them. I don't particularly like them (except the "language" courses) but they're internationally recognised. There's also the Cambridge Pre-Us.
 
I clearly stated that I am doing my graduation but I will be applying for transfer to some colleges.
I have already completed my A-Levels as a private candidate with excellent grades.
A*A*A.
I want some rigorous exam to make my transfer application to top colleges in the world.
Probably I will looking for MIT, Caltech and Imperial or ETH.
I am interested in Mathematics, Physics and Computer Science.
 
Dr. Physics said:
I clearly stated that I am doing my graduation but I will be applying for transfer to some colleges.
I have already completed my A-Levels as a private candidate with excellent grades.
A*A*A.
I want some rigorous exam to make my transfer application to top colleges in the world.
Probably I will looking for MIT, Caltech and Imperial or ETH.
I am interested in Mathematics, Physics and Computer Science.

There is STEP if you're interested in mathematics at university: http://www.admissionstests.cambridgeassessment.org.uk/adt/step

No idea for physics sorry.
 
Thanks synkk, I found PAT [Physics Aptitude Test].
 
Dr. Physics said:
I clearly stated that I am doing my graduation but I will be applying for transfer to some colleges.
I have already completed my A-Levels as a private candidate with excellent grades.
A*A*A.
I want some rigorous exam to make my transfer application to top colleges in the world.
Probably I will looking for MIT, Caltech and Imperial or ETH.
I am interested in Mathematics, Physics and Computer Science.

Consider the fact that "doing my graduation" is not necessarily as "clear" to everybody else as it is to you. I've never even heard anyone use that to refer to undergraduate study before you.

How far are you into your degree? One is required to apply as a transfer candidate only if they have completed a year of university. That is for US colleges, by the way.

I believe CalTech has an entrance exam for their transfer candidates but they don't provide any funding for transfer applicants. I know someone who passed the exam but didn't attend because of lack of funding.
 
No, you may not take IMO or IPhO without being officially selected by your country, which requires you to be one of the top six students in your country that year.

I'm not sure if India also takes the GCE A-Levels or whether they have another A-Levels exam, but frankly speaking A*A*A in GCE A-Levels is nothing impressive. Most Oxbridge applicants have at least 3 to 4 A*s.
 
@Mépris is that true that Caltech don't provide funding for transfer students.
 
A*A*A should get you into a good university in the UK. Why the foucus on Imperial? There are many universities in the UK that have at least as good a reputation as Imperial for UG physics teaching. The most scientific assessment of physics teaching is probably the QQA, here's an account of this at Leeds:

http://www.physics.leeds.ac.uk/undergraduates/why-leeds/teaching-quality-assessment

Note that Leeds gets 24, the highest possible rating. So why not apply there, and other places with 24? Also look at:

http://www.qaa.ac.uk/Pages/default.aspx

If you apply for places for the best scientific reason, and put that on your CV, then will that not look good to the best people (i.e., rational people!) Many people apply to Oxbridge or Imperial for snob reasons - that doesn't look good (except to snobs...)

You might find that quite a few places have good QAA scores, other sources might be then be worth looking at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2011/may/17/university-guide-physics
 
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@chiro Putnam can be taken by American students only.
I am from India.
 
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Ans426 said:
I'm not sure if India also takes the GCE A-Levels or whether they have another A-Levels exam, but frankly speaking A*A*A in GCE A-Levels is nothing impressive. Most Oxbridge applicants have at least 3 to 4 A*s.

What makes you think that? I've never seen anything of the sort reported by either university and I'd be interested in seeing some kind of valid proof for that. If anything, most people study three subjects at A2 and one at AS.

In general, being predicted A*AA is enough for one to apply there.

Dr. Physics said:
@Mépris is that true that Caltech don't provide funding for transfer students.

Why don't you go to their website and see for yourself? This was true a few months ago and while I doubt this has changed, you should still check. You shouldn't take it for granted that everybody has your best interests in mind. For all you know, we could all be lying to you...
 
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can Putnam exam be taken by international students.
 
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Good lord. That is information that can be acquired by a simple google search.

http://math.scu.edu/putnam/registration.html

One has to be in enrolled in an American or Canadian university and nominated by a faculty member to participate.
 
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1. Learn to the Googling.
2. ?
3. Profit
 

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