Rigorous proof of basic absolute value theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the absolute value theorem in the context of Real Analysis. Participants are examining the validity of a proof presented in a textbook, questioning specific steps and the rigor of the notation used.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the transition from "plus or minus a" and "plus or minus b" to "plus or minus (a+b)" and seeks clarification on the proof's notation.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship ±(a+b) ≤ |a| + |b| implies |a+b| ≤ |a| + |b|, referencing the definition of absolute value.
  • A different participant proposes breaking down the proof into five cases based on the signs of a and b, suggesting that the theorem is a special case of a more general theorem.
  • One participant outlines a more rigorous approach to the proof, detailing cases based on the signs of A and B, and concludes that |A| + |B| ≥ |A + B| holds in all cases.
  • Another participant critiques the original proof, asserting that it is incorrect and provides a detailed alternative proof using inequalities and cases for different sign combinations of a and b.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the original proof. There are multiple competing views regarding the rigor and correctness of the steps involved in proving the absolute value theorem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the original proof's notation and rigor, and some suggest that additional cases need to be considered to fully validate the theorem.

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Rigorous proof of basic "absolute value" theorem?

Hey :) I'm working through a Real Analysis text, and I came across this theorem and "proof":
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6725/proofbx2.png

It kind of took me by surprise, because the author of the text is usually very careful about defining every little operation, and took 2-3 pages to show that you can actually "add a constant to both sides" of an equation and equality without changing the solution set.

Except for the sloppy notation, two parts of the "proof" confused me. First, why can you add "plus or minus a" and "plus or minus b" to get "plus or minus (a+b)"? I'm also confused as to how the author jumped from plus or minus (a+b) to |a+b|.

Maybe I'm just slow. Any thoughts?
 
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It's not so much that ±a + ±b = ±(a+b) as much as the fact that if ±a<=c and ±b<=d, then a+b<=c+d and -a-b<=c+d; that is to say, ±(a+b) <= c+d.

As to why ±(a+b)<=|a|+|b| implies |a+b|<=|a|+|b|, it follows from the definition of the absolute value that states that |x|=x if x>=0 and -x if x<0. Here, if (a+b)>=0, then (a+b)=|a+b| and we have |a+b|= (a+b) <=|a|+|b|. In the other case, (a+b)<0, we have -(a+b)=|a+b|, and here again, |a+b|=-(a+b)<=|a|+|b|.
 


Oh.. I see.
The author did prove the necessary theorems for me to understand why:
\pm(a+b)\leq|a|+|b| \foralla,b\inR.

Now, if I understand this correctly, this can really be broken down into 5 cases:
1. +(a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is positive.
2. -(a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is positive.
3. +(a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is negative.
4. -(a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is negative.
5. (a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is 0.

For |a+b| < |a| + |b| to be true, you stated that the only three conditions that need to be true are:
1. +(a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is positive.
2. -(a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is negative.
3. (a+b)<|a| + |b|, where a+b is 0.

...which are all true. So, in a way, |a+b| < |a| + |b| is just a special case of a more general theorem. Is my logic here correct?
 


I would do something like this. You could be a little more rigorous though.

1. A and B are real numbers.

2. A real number is less than or equal to its magnitude. (by def of absolute value)

3. A + B is a real number (by closure)

4. Assume without loss of generality that A >= B

There are two cases.

Case 1: |A + B| = A + B
Therefore A + B = |A| + |B| = |A + B|

Case 2: |A + B| > A + B
Therefore, A + B < 0
Therefore, A < 0 and B < 0 Therefore |A| + |B| = |A + B|
-------OR, A >= 0 and B < 0 Therefore |A| + |B| >| A + B|

In all cases, |A| + |B| >= |A + B|

Therefore,

|A| + |B| >= |A + B|
 
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scorpion990 said:
Hey :) I'm working through a Real Analysis text, and I came across this theorem and "proof":
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6725/proofbx2.png

It kind of took me by surprise, because the author of the text is usually very careful about defining every little operation, and took 2-3 pages to show that you can actually "add a constant to both sides" of an equation and equality without changing the solution set.

Except for the sloppy notation, two parts of the "proof" confused me. First, why can you add "plus or minus a" and "plus or minus b" to get "plus or minus (a+b)"? I'm also confused as to how the author jumped from plus or minus (a+b) to |a+b|.

Maybe I'm just slow. Any thoughts?

The author obviously is wrong,particularly with the last line in his proof .The complete proof of what he started is the following:


-|a|\leq a\leq |a|.........1


and -|b|\leq b\leq |b|............2

Now by adding (1) and (2) we get:


-( |a|+|b|)\leq (a+b)\leq (|a|+|b|) ,which according to the theorem:

.....|x|\leq y\Longleftrightarrow -y\leq x\leq y......

is:


|a+b|\leq |a|+|b|.

Another way would ,since (a>0 or a=0 or a<0) and (b>0 or b=0 or b<0), be to consider the following cases one by one :


1) a>0 and a>0. in this case a+b>0====> |a+b|=a+b and also a=|a|,b=|b| and thus:

|a+b|=|a|+|b|\Longrightarrow |a+b|\leq |a|+|b|.

The other cases to consider are:

(a>0 and b=0),(a>0 and b<0), (a=0 and b>0), (a=0 and b=0),(a=0 and b<0),( a<0 and b>0),(a<0 and b=0), (a<0 and b<0) and they all give the same result ,like the one above.


Another way would be the double implications trick.We assume |a+b|\leq |a|+|b| to be true and we do calculations that work either way i.e.


We square both sides of |a+b|\leq |a|+|b| and we get


a^2 +b^2 +2ab\leq |a|^2+|b|^2 +2|a||b|,hence


|a+b|\leq |a|+|b|\Longrightarrow a^2+b^2 +2ab\leq |a|^2+|b|^2 +2|a||b|.


On the other hand if we take the sqrt of the right hand side of the implication we will get the left hand side of the implication ,hence we can write:



|a+b|\leq |a|+|b|\Longleftrightarrow a^2+b^2 +2ab\leq |a|^2+|b|^2 +2|a||b|.



And since |a|^2=a^2,|b|^2=b^2, |a||b|=|ab| we have:



a^2+b^2+2ab\leq |a|^2+|b|^2+2|a||b|<======>ab\leq |ab|


Now we can start from ab\leq |ab| which is a true fact and thru the implications arrive at the desired result
 
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