RMS of complex waveform (acoustics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical understanding of the root mean square (RMS) of complex waveforms in acoustics, specifically focusing on the superposition of two harmonic plane progressive waves traveling in opposite directions. Participants are exploring the derivation of expressions for total acoustic pressure and total mean squared pressure.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the total acoustic pressure as a result of linear superposition: \(\tilde{P(x)} = \tilde{A}e^{-jkx} + \tilde{B}e^{jkx}\).
  • The same participant provides a solution for the mean squared pressure, involving the expression \(|\tilde{P(x)}|^2 = |\tilde{A}e^{-jkx}|^2 + |\tilde{B}e^{jkx}|^2 + 2\Re{\{\tilde{A}\tilde{B}^*\}} \cos(kx)\), and seeks clarification on its derivation.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of the tildas in the context of complex numbers and suggests expanding the complex amplitudes into real and imaginary parts.
  • A further reply discusses the relationship between the magnitude of a complex number and its components, indicating that \(|z|^2 = a^2 + b^2 = z \cdot z^*\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are engaged in a technical exploration of the topic, with some clarifying terminology and mathematical expressions. There is no consensus on the derivation process, and multiple viewpoints on the interpretation of complex amplitudes are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the derivation of the mean squared pressure and the implications of using complex amplitudes in the context of the problem. The discussion includes assumptions about the notation and mathematical properties of complex numbers.

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Hey everyone, just got a quick question in acoustics. I am mainly looking for a mathematical understanding

Homework Statement



Consider two harmonic plane progressive waves of the form

\tilde{P(x)} = \tilde{A}e-jkx

and\tilde{P(x)} = \tilde{B}e+jkx

traveling in opposite directions. Showing all workings, derive expressions for:

1) Total acoustic pressure
2) Total mean squared pressurein the above expressions \tilde{P(x)} represents the acoustic pressure and \tilde{A} and \tilde{B} are complex amplitudes

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The Attempt at a Solution



my solution for part 1 is due to linear superposition:

\tilde{P(x)} = \tilde{A}e-jkx + \tilde{B}e+jkx

i know that the SOLUTION to the second part is:

|\tilde{P(x)}|2 = |\tilde{A}e-jkx|2 + |\tilde{B}e+jkx|2 + 2Re{ \tilde{A}\tilde{B}*}cos(kx)

where Re{} denotes the real part ( I couldn't find the actual symbol ), * denotes the complex conjugate and k is the wave number ( k= ω/c )

like i said above i am trying to get a mathematical understanding of the second part. I do not understand how this solution is derived. Thanks
 
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Note: \Re gives ##\Re## ... it's easier to just type out the LaTeX than use the equation editor.

What do the tildas indicate here?

$$\tilde{P}\!_A(x) = \tilde{A}e^{-jkx}\\

\tilde{P}\!_B(x)=\tilde{B}e^{jkx}\\

\tilde{P}(x)=\tilde{A}e^{-jkx}+\tilde{B}e^{jkx}\\$$

You want to understand this:
$$\left | \tilde{P}(x) \right |^2=\left | \tilde{A}e^{-jkx}\right |^2+\left | \tilde{B}e^{jkx}\right |^2 = \left |\tilde{A}\tilde{B}^\star\right | \cos(kx)$$

ABcosθ would normally be a scalar product right - so how does that work if A and B are complex valued?

What happens if you expand the complex amplitudes into ##\tilde{A}=a+jb\; , \; \tilde{B}=c+jd## and expand the exponentials into trig functions?
 
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Hey, thanks for the reply.

i believe the tilda is the nomenclature used to represent a Complex number.
I will try what you have suggested
 
You may not need to though:

If: ##z=a+jb##

Then: ##|z|^2 = a^2+b^2 = z\cdot z^\star ##
 

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