Rms voltage for capacitor charge/discharge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the root mean square (RMS) voltage for a capacitor during its charge and discharge phases over one complete cycle. The context includes mathematical reasoning and homework-related problem-solving.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculations for the RMS voltage during the charging and discharging phases, providing specific equations and results.
  • Another participant suggests adding the mean voltage-squared contributions of each phase before taking the square root, proposing a different approach to the calculation.
  • A later reply indicates that following the suggested method results in an RMS value of 2V, while noting the steady state voltage is 1V.
  • Another participant corrects the period of the waveform, stating it should be 10ms instead of 10ms, which affects the constants in the integrals, leading to a revised RMS value of 0.634V.
  • One participant acknowledges the oversight regarding the period of the waveform.

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There is no consensus on the final RMS value, as participants present differing calculations and interpretations of the problem. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct approach and results.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct period of the waveform and its impact on the calculations. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the integration process and the application of constants.

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Homework Statement


Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could confirm my work for the following graph:
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I'm supposed to find the rms for 1 complete cycle (0, 10ms)

The time constant is 1ms.
Charging phase, v=1-e^(-t/1ms)=1-e^(-1000t)
discharging phase, v=e^(-1000t)

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I find the rms contribution for the charging stage.
\sqrt{\frac{1}{10^{-3}}\int ^{5(10)^{-3}}_{0}{(1-e^{-1000t})^2dt}}=\sqrt{\frac{1}{10^{-3}}(t-\frac{e^{-2000t}}{2000}+\frac{e^{-1000t}}{500}|^{5(10)^{-3}}_{0})}=0.59274 V
Next, I found the contribution of the discharge phase:
\sqrt{\frac{1}{10^{-3}}\int ^{5(10)^{-3}}_{0}{(e^{-1000t})^2dt}}=\sqrt{\frac{1}{10^{-3}}(-\frac{e^{-2000t}}{2000}|^{5(10)^{-3}}_{0})}=0.707091 V
and the effective rms for the entire cycle is
v_{rms}=\sqrt{(0.59274 V)^2+(0.707091 V)^2}=0.923 V

Or do I have to multiply each of the functions underneatht he the sqrt by a factor of 5(10)^-3 ?
 
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Add the means (over the cycle length) of the voltage-squared contributions of each section of the curve prior to taking the square root. So:
A = \frac{1}{10^{-3}}\int ^{5(10)^{-3}}_{0}{(1-e^{-1000t})^2dt}
B = \frac{1}{10^{-3}}\int ^{5(10)^{-3}}_{0}{(e^{-1000t})^2dt}
v_{rms} = \sqrt{A + B}
 
Interesting. That seems a lot easier. Thanks!
 
When I do as you stated, I get an rms value of 2V. Steady state voltage in this particular instant is 1V.
 
Oops. The period of the waveform is 10ms or 10-2s, not 10-3s. So the constant multiplying the integrals should be 1/10-2 = 100.

I think you'll find that the RMS value should be 0.634V.
 
I probably should have caught that. Thanks!
 

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