Robot capable of distinguishing individual pages

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and functionality of a robotic book scanner, specifically focusing on the challenge of distinguishing individual pages when turning them. Participants explore various sensing methods and mechanical designs to achieve reliable page separation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using optical, infrared, or ultrasonic methods to sense if more than one page is lifted, emphasizing the need for precision due to the thinness of pages.
  • Another participant proposes looking into existing technologies like bill counters and printer paper feed mechanisms, which can reliably separate sheets without needing post-checks.
  • A suggestion is made to read the page number as a potential method for distinguishing individual pages, although this is challenged by another participant who notes that the current system is not based on character recognition.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about using an arm for page turning, hinting at an alternative design that may be easier to construct.
  • A different approach is proposed involving a small microscope and camera setup to analyze images for page count, raising questions about the feasibility of using a webcam for this purpose.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the best method for distinguishing individual pages, with no consensus reached on a single approach or design. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the capabilities of sensors and mechanical designs, but specific limitations and dependencies on technology are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in robotics, automation, optical sensing technologies, and book scanning applications may find this discussion relevant.

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I have a question that could be rather far out, but potentially doable as well. I am building a robotic book scanner and I plan on using some kind of arm to pick up an individual page in order to turn it. However, because of the nature of pages sometimes wanting to stick together, it might occur frequently that I end up picking up more than one page with my arm. I was wondering if there was a way of sensing if more than one page was lifted up. I made a rough measurement and calculation and determined that the average page thickness is .02 mm, so my sensor would need to be able to distinguish something that minuscule. Is this something that should be done optically, or would it be better to use infrared or ultrasonic methods for measurement? Even better would be a consistent method of lifting up a page that would yield an error rate of 1% and then manually rescan the few pages that were missed.
 
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Look into bill counters like they use in banks and ATMs as well as printer paper feed mechanisms. They are able to very reliably pick out a single sheet from a pile without having to check afterward.
 
you could have it read the page number.
 
That's a good idea, GiTZ, if this were a character recognition system. It isn't, though.
Dmehling, I really don't think that an arm is the easiest way to go here. I'm still working on the design that I mentioned in your other thread, but I think that I have something that will work better than an arm (and be a lot easier to build).
 
What about getting a small microscope with enough magnification to distinguish individual pages? Then I would have to have some kind of camera to capture the image. Could I use a small web cam to look through the microscope and have a computer program analyze the image to determine how many pages are in view?
 

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