Rod Pendulum: Calculate Length (g=9.8 m/s2)

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The problem involves a rod acting as a physical pendulum with a specified period of 2.24 seconds and gravitational acceleration of 9.8 m/s². The original poster attempts to calculate the length of the rod using the formula for the period of a pendulum.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculations made by the original poster and question the correctness of the input values. There is a focus on the relationship between the length of the rod and its center of mass, with some participants suggesting that the length in the formula may need to be adjusted.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the center of mass and its effect on the length calculation. Some participants have offered alternative formulas that incorporate the moment of inertia and torque, indicating a shift in the approach to solving the problem.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the need for mass to calculate the center of mass, and the participants are working under the assumption that the problem is correctly stated as given in the assignment.

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Homework Statement


A rod suspended on its end and acting as a physical pendulum swings with a period of 2.24 s. What is its length? (g = 9.80 m/s2)

Homework Equations


T=2(pi) * (sqrt)(L/G)

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I'm given the period, which is 2.24 seconds.

I'm also given G, as it's 9.8.

I plug in the values and the resulting equation is what I get:

2.24=2pi * (sqrt)(L/9.8)

I divide 2.24 by 2pi, which leaves me with this:

.356507=(sqrt)(L/9.8)

I square both sides and get:

.127097=L/9.8

Multiply 9.8 * .127097 should give me L.

I get L=1.24555. I put it into my online homework assignment, and it's wrong.

What am I doing incorrectly?
 
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Mr. Goosemahn said:
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im getting the same as you :(
are you sure those are the correct numbers?
 
A_Munk3y said:
im getting the same as you :(
are you sure those are the correct numbers?

Yup, I copy pasted the problem right out of the assignment.
 
Here the length of the physical pendulum is the distance of center of mass from the point of suspension.
 
rl.bhat said:
Here the length of the physical pendulum is the distance of center of mass from the point of suspension.

Don't I need the mass (or masses) to calculate the center of mass for an object?
 
No. In this case center of mass is the center of gravity. It is the mid point of the rod.
 
rl.bhat said:
No. In this case center of mass is the center of gravity. It is the mid point of the rod.

I don't know if I understood this right, but the L in the equation must then be doubled?

So...

2.24=2pi * (sqrt)(2L/9.8)

?
 
No. Length should be L/2.
 
  • #10
It still doesn't work.

I plugged in (L/2) for the L, so the equation looks like this:

2.24 = 2pi * (sqrt)((L/2)/9.8)

Solving for L:

2.24/(2pi) = (sqrt)((L/2)/9.8) ----> 0.356507 = (sqrt)((L/2)/9.8)

(0.356507)^2 = ((sqrt)((L/2)/9.8))^2 -----> 0.127097 = (L/2)/9.8

L/2 = (0.127097)*9.8 -----> L/2 = 1.24555

L = 1.24555 * 2 -----> L = 2.49111

This value is also incorrect. Where am I making a mistake?
 
  • #11
In the physical pendulum, You have to take into account the moment of inertia and torque.
The formula for period of oscillation is given by
T = 2π*sqrt(I/τ), where I = 1/3*M*L^2 and τ = M*g*L/2
So T = 2π*sqrt(2L/3g)
Now solve for L.
 
  • #12
rl.bhat said:
In the physical pendulum, You have to take into account the moment of inertia and torque.
The formula for period of oscillation is given by
T = 2π*sqrt(I/τ), where I = 1/3*M*L^2 and τ = M*g*L/2
So T = 2π*sqrt(2L/3g)
Now solve for L.

It worked, finally! Thanks for the help, it was really useful!
 

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