Roller coaster car energy problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving energy conservation and forces in the context of a roller coaster car and a spring mechanism. The original poster presents two scenarios: one concerning the forces acting on a roller coaster car at the top of a loop and another involving the compression of a spring used to propel blocks of different masses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply energy conservation principles to both problems, calculating initial and final energies and setting them equal. They express confusion regarding the correctness of their calculations and seek assistance in identifying errors.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on the force aspect of the first problem rather than energy and recommend relating the compressions of the spring for the two blocks in the second problem.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the use of velocity and the application of force equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the focus on forces and the relationship between the spring compressions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that certain constants, such as the spring constant, are not provided, which may affect their ability to solve the second problem. There is also an indication of confusion regarding the application of formulas and the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



1. A roller coaster car of mass 1500kg starts a distance H=23m above the bottom of a loop 15m in diameter. If friction is negligible, the downward force the rails on the car when it is upside down at the top of the loop is:
a. 4.6*10^4 N
b.3.1*10^4 N
c.1.7*10^4 N
d. 980N
e.1.6*10^3

2.A block of mass m is pushed up against a spring, compressing it a distance x and the block is then released. The spring projects the block along a frictionless horizontal surface, giving the block a speed v. The same spring projects a second block of mass 4m, giving it a speed 3v. What distance was the spring compressed in the second case ?

Homework Equations



E=(1/2)*k*x^2 + (1/2)*m*v^2 + mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



1. So I wrote out energy equation:

Initial: E=mgh=1500*g*23

Final: E= (1/2)*m*v^2 + mgh = (1500*v^2/2)+ 1500*15*g

then I set them equal and get 23*g= (1/2)*v^2 + 15g then I solve for v^2= 16*g

F=mv^2/2 = 16*9.81*1500 / 7.5 = 31392 N then I chose b. However, I am wrong. can you guys help me identify where did I do wrong ?


2.I also did the same

Initial: E= k*x^2 /2

Final: E= m*v^2 /2

I set them equal and get k*x^2= m*v^2

I substitute 4m for mass and 3v for speed and get k*x^2 = 4m*9v^2

I solved for x= squroot (4*m*9*v^2/k)

My answer was wrong too. I think because it contains k and they don't give k in the givens. How can I fix it ??
 
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1. Only the force is asked, not energy.

2. Take compression of the spring as x1 and x2 for the two blocks and write down corresponding equations. Now relate x1 and x2.
 


1. Right. I figured out the velocity by using energy and I used F=mv^2/r Am I wrong ?

2. I don't quite get what you mean
 


I still got the wrong answer.
 

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