Roller Coaster Physics- Determining the highest point's height

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The problem involves calculating the height of the highest point (Point A) of a roller coaster given the mass, velocity at a lower point (Point B), and the height of Point B. The context is centered around energy conservation principles in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and the need to clarify the starting point of the roller coaster. There is an exploration of how to relate potential and kinetic energy to find the height of Point A.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the conservation of energy and the need to include kinetic energy in the calculations. Clarifications about the roller coaster's starting point and velocity have been made, leading to a more focused discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of assumptions such as the absence of friction and the specific values given for mass, velocity, and gravity. The original poster has encountered difficulties with negative energy values, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of energy equations.

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1. Homework Statement [/b
]Here’s what you know: Mass is 750 Kg, Velocity is 20 m/s, Gravity remains at 10 m/s2 and Point B’s height is 15 m. Assume that Point A is the highest point and assume there is no friction for this problem.

Complete in the order that makes the best sense to you:
Calculate the total energy at Point A and Point B. Determine Point A’s height.



Homework Equations



E= mgh + ½ mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



Energy at Point B: (+ 4 pts)
E= mgh + ½ mv2
E= (750) (10) (15) + 0
E= 112500 J

I found the Ep for Point B. When I tried to work "backwards" by trying to find Point A's height by using Point B's Ep and height, I came up with a negative energy. I think there should be a way to use this known data to determine point A's height and Ep, but I can not figure it out.
 
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Welcome to PF angelbonnet,

It's not clear what's going on in the problem. Does the roller coaster start at point A or at point B? At what point does it have the velocity of 20 m/s?

If you can clarify these points, we should be able to help.
 
Thank you, The roller coaster starts at point A and the velocity is for point B.
 
angelbonnet said:
Thank you, The roller coaster starts at point A and the velocity is for point B.

Okay, then your expression for the energy at point B is wrong, because you have not included the kinetic energy that the roller coaster has at point B due to its motion at 20 m/s.

Total energy is conserved, so the potential energy that the coaster loses in falling from point A to point B must be equal to the kinetic energy that it gains as a result.

You can use this fact to figure out what distance it must have fallen i.e. how much higher point A is than point B.
 
Thank you for the insights. I'll attempt it with these in mind.
 

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